On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:

> Brent,
>
> No, reality just makes a random choice, that's the computation made.
>

How can a computation make a random choice?

Jason


> But the difference between reality math and human QM math is that reality
> actually makes an actual choice, whereas human QM math just gives us the
> probabilities of choices.
>
> Big difference. Reality does the computation, human math doesn't.
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:39:43 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
>>
>> On 12/28/2013 5:00 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>> > Brent,
>> >
>> > What we need to understand here is that the actual equations of reality
>> math that
>> > compute reality DO produce exact results. They have to because events
>> actually happen.
>> > But the human math equations of decoherence etc. only produce
>> probabilistic results.
>>
>> Right.  So are you saying there is some 'hidden math', like hidden
>> variables, or t'Hooft's
>> ultradeterminism, or Bohm's universal potential, that secretly determines
>> which of the
>> probabilities predicted by our QM is actually realized?  Is it in
>> principle possible for
>> us to find this reality math or is it forever hidden?
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>> > This is a good example of how reality math and human math are
>> different. The
>> > Omnes/Everett interpretations mistakenly apply only to the human
>> equations which are
>> > just descriptions, not actuators. E.g. Everett assumes that the human
>> quantum equations
>> > somehow calculate reality but they don't, and therefore he falsely
>> assumes an
>> > interpretation of the human math equations has something to do with
>> reality but it
>> > doesn't. Therefore they have nothing to do with actual reality and in
>> particular MWI
>> > doesn't apply to the actual math of reality and thus doesn't apply to
>> actual reality.
>>
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