On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:

> Brent, > > No, reality just makes a random choice, that's the computation made. > How can a computation make a random choice? Jason > But the difference between reality math and human QM math is that reality > actually makes an actual choice, whereas human QM math just gives us the > probabilities of choices. > > Big difference. Reality does the computation, human math doesn't. > > Edgar > > > > > On Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:39:43 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 12/28/2013 5:00 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> > Brent, >> > >> > What we need to understand here is that the actual equations of reality >> math that >> > compute reality DO produce exact results. They have to because events >> actually happen. >> > But the human math equations of decoherence etc. only produce >> probabilistic results. >> >> Right. So are you saying there is some 'hidden math', like hidden >> variables, or t'Hooft's >> ultradeterminism, or Bohm's universal potential, that secretly determines >> which of the >> probabilities predicted by our QM is actually realized? Is it in >> principle possible for >> us to find this reality math or is it forever hidden? >> >> Brent >> >> >> > This is a good example of how reality math and human math are >> different. The >> > Omnes/Everett interpretations mistakenly apply only to the human >> equations which are >> > just descriptions, not actuators. E.g. Everett assumes that the human >> quantum equations >> > somehow calculate reality but they don't, and therefore he falsely >> assumes an >> > interpretation of the human math equations has something to do with >> reality but it >> > doesn't. Therefore they have nothing to do with actual reality and in >> particular MWI >> > doesn't apply to the actual math of reality and thus doesn't apply to >> actual reality. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.