Dear Bruno, Hear Hear!
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 01 Jan 2014, at 22:45, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [ > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > ] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 01, 2014 3:50 AM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Another shot at how spacetime emerges from computational > reality > > > On 31 Dec 2013, at 22:16, LizR wrote: > > > My 15 year old son asked me "Why do people believe in God?" > > > Because all correct machine, cognitively rich enough (= believing in > numbers and induction, or being Löbian, ...) when they look inward, > discover the gap between G and G*, or the gap between truth about them and > proof about them. > > Then some machine try to communicate that experience---which is > impossible, and so they will use image and parables, which are not > understood, and parrots repeat, politician exploits, and little children > believe they parroting parents, teachers, etc. > > We all believe, consciously or unconsciously, in God, in that large sense > of a transcendental reason of our existence, but we are always wrong when > we project attributes to It/Her/Him, and much more wrong when invoking them > for direct terrestrial purposes, where "God" is only an authoritative > argument (always invalid, especially in the religion field, where it used > the most). > > >>Adults believing literally in fairy tales are just infants refusing to > grow spiritually. They are governed by people who want steal the > responsibility and the maturity, and which have no interest at all in > spiritual research. The goal is to steal more easily the money and power. > > Religion – IMO -- can be distilled down to politics by other means; it > harnesses the deepest urges and powerful impulses within us and systemizes > these, providing channelized modalities of expression that provides the > worshipper with internal validation and preset answers, while corralling > them into a protean mass whose collective energy and “will” can be directed > towards achieving whatever political goals is profitable for the > individuals controlling the belief establishment. > Something I find fascinating is how so many religions and pseudo-religions > seek to establish a monopoly on belief…. > > > > I tend to think that only pseudo-religions do that. Some people can be > genuinely half-enlightened, though, and be sincere in the attempt to > communicate what is strictly incommunicable. > > Computationalism will not be an exception. Some people will believe > literally that G* minus G applies normatively to them, and this will make > them inconsistent. That is why I insist it is only modest science and that > we must make the hypotheses explicit (comp + some amount of cautious hope > in meta-self-correctness). > > > > > on what can be believed and what cannot be believed. If belief is the > currency of religion; > > > > Belief is the currency of science, if not of everything. > > > > it stands to reason that established faiths seek to maintain a > stranglehold on the entire psychological apparatus of belief within the > populations of individuals that are born into the regions (or communities) > where these organized belief systems prevail. > > > If you can control the beliefs, you can control the people. But if > theology is conceived as a science, then you get the means to interrogate > the beliefs, criticize the theories, single out the contradiction and > progress toward possible truth (Dt). That should help to avoid the > "monopoly". > > This asks for some amount of courage or "spiritual maturity". Maturity > here is the ability/courage to realize and admit that we don't know. This > has no sex-appeal, as we are programmed to fake having the answer, > especially on the fundamentals, to reassure the kids or the member of the > party ... > > Bruno > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/7G5zm5OFT0k/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 stephe...@provensecure.com http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. 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