I'll stick with my definitions, which are quite clear and obvious. The
present moment is the most basic experience (and therefore the most basic
verifiable and repeatable empirical observation) of our existence.
99.999% of all humans on earth understand this clearly and unambiguously,
with the apparent exception of the members of this list!
On Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:20:05 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
> It might help if we all used consistent language for "present", "event",
> "simultaneous", etc. I recommend we use the definitions which Einstein
> works out (starting on page 2 of his paper):
> It would avoid a lot of confusion I think, because so far we seem to be
> talking past each other over what basic words mean.
> > wrote:
>> Yes, of course you are correct. They do it all the time but in the
>> present moment rather than any clock time simultaneity. Without a present
>> moment when do they meet up and compare? Certainly not in their individual
>> clock times which are different.
>> On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:29:29 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote:
>>> On 6 January 2014 10:16, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>>>> What is explained quite well by relativity is the differing clock
>>>> times. The fact they differ in the same present moment is not even
>>>> recognized nor explained by relativity.... It's a basic but totally
>>>> unexplained assumption....
>>>> There is no reason in SR why observers can't meet up and compare their
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