Bruno and Brent,
please do not paint me as a Robert Rosen imitation. I have esteem for his
mind, but tried to go on from SOME of his thoughts in my own way. He was a
mathematician and a biologist, I am none of those. His untimely death cut
his thoughts and I believe there would have been more to it if he continues
and publishes not only what may be compatible with a reductionist audience,
but ventures into agnosticism himself, beyond his 'model' limited to the
At best I am a 'heretic' Rosenite, as I am a 'heretic Marchallite (if I may
Brent may be right with his "leading nowhere", which may be the itinery of
our present ignorance.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 7:19 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 1/8/2014 9:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Hi John,
> On 07 Jan 2014, at 23:20, John Mikes wrote:
> Bruno, you made my day.
> Reminds me of a Hungarian humorous author (P. Howard) who wrote about a
> blind philosopher (The Sleepy Elephant) and his assistant living in the
> deep Sahara - showing the Elephant's Life Oeuvre in a BIG book, the
> assistant was supposed to write as the old Blind Elephant dictated. It was
> all empty and the assistant asked somebody to inscribe: "I cannot write,
> but it makes him so happy when I pretend..." -
> When reading your remarks I wonder what REALLY mean 'machine', 'comp',
> 'universal', and some more of your words I got used to over the past 2
> decades, yet are not "clear"(??) enough in my mind to automatically
> click-in when used.
> Do you have a *glossary *I could download, to refresh those (brief!)
> I have no glossary. Maybe I should do that. I use each term in the most
> standard sense used by the expert in the field. Computable is made
> ultra-standard, if I can say, thanks to the Church thesis.
> Let me try an explanation, below, for the notions mentioned above.
> (I am aware that you appreciate Robert Rosen critics of Church Thesis,
> but as you know I have some reservation that it is really a critics of
> Church thesis, as a critic of possible misuse of Church's thesis).
> I'd take Rosen as a cautionary example of holism leading nowhere.
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