> My theory of consciousness is made considerably clearer in detail in my book
> on Reality if you want to get the full story :-)
> The answers to some of your questions:
> Sure dreams are real, like everything is, but their reality is that they are
> dreams. Actually mind is continually actively simulating reality whether
> asleep or awake, It continually goes off on its own predicting what it
> thinks will happen before it even happens. When we are awake this process is
> continually corrected by incoming sensory information and brought back on
> track. During dreams sensory input to the process is minimal and that
> self-correction process is minimal and the mind is freer to follow
> directions of its own based on internal priorities.
Ok, this is how I believe the brain works too. At a high-level: the
hard stuff is in the implementation details :)
> All this is explained in
> detail in Part IV: Mind and Reality of my book.
> Ontological energy is NOT any form of physical energy. It's a somewhat
> deficient term to signify the fact that reality is actually real and actual
> and actually here, present and happening right now. It is the 'stuff' or
> 'substance' (entirely logical rather than physical) of actual existence and
> being, and because it is such that makes the forms and computations that
> appear within it real and actual.
What do you think of the Universal Dovetailer? Could it be what you
mean by Ontological Energy?
> OE is obviously difficult to properly describe. To paraphrase Lao Tse, "The
> ontological energy that can be named is not ontological energy". In fact the
> ancient concept of Tao was an ancient approach to pretty much the same
> concept. If you know how to describe this without "overloading of terms"
> then take a shot at it...
No, I tend to agree with Lao Tse...
> You ask "how do I know the physical world (doesn't) arise from
> consciousness?" I don't claim that. I agree the 'physical' world DOES arise
> from conscousness. That's what I've said all along, if you've been
> The actual external reality is NOT physical, it's computational.
So you believe in comp?
> It consists entirely of the computational interaction of information forms
> in OE.
This sounds like comp and UD.
> All so called physical worlds are how organismic minds simulate their
> interactions with this information world. Organismic, including human, minds
> simulate information reality as a physical reality because that makes it
> easier to compute and interact with and thus function within. All the many
> ways this happens is described in detail in my book...
Ok, again this seems compatible with the concepts of 1p/3p, which are
frequently mentioned in this mailing list. (not everyone likes them,
for sure... I do)
> The only 'physical worlds' are products of organismic minds and occur only
> within those minds as simulations of the external information reality.
> Actual fundamental external reality is computationally evolving information
> in OE only.
> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 1:06:49 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote:
>> Hi Edgar,
>> Ok, I'll bite :)
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Edgar L. Owen <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>> > All,
>> > I'll present a brief overview of my theory of consciousness from my book
>> > on
>> > Reality here. If anyone is interested I can elaborate.
>> > To understand consciousness we first must clearly distinguish between
>> > consciousness ITSELF and
>> > the contents of consciousness that become conscious
>> This seems circular.
>> > by appearing within consciousness itself.
>> > The nature of consciousness itself, why things seem conscious,
>> I would argue that why things seem conscious can be explained with
>> neuroscience + computer science. The real mystery is why I am
>> > is the
>> > subject of Chalmer's 'Hard Problem', whereas the various structures of
>> > the
>> > contents of consciousness are the so called 'Easy Problems', the
>> > subjects of
>> > the study of mind.
>> Several theories of mind address consciousness, notably comp (as Liz
>> pointed out)
>> > Chalmer's formulation of the Hard Problem is 'How does consciousness
>> > arise
>> > from a physical brain?' Let's generalized this a little to 'How does
>> > consciousness arise from a physical world?'
>> Here you're already making a strong assumption. How do you know it's
>> not the other way round: the physical world arising from
>> > The key to the solution is understanding that the world is not
>> > 'physical' in
>> > the sense assumed. It is not a passive clockwork Newtonian world that
>> > just
>> > sits there waiting to be brought into consciousness by an observer. In
>> > fact
>> > the notion of observation is intrinsic to reality itself in a manner
>> > that
>> > reality actively manifests most of the defining attributes of reality on
>> > its
>> > own and all the conscious observer adds is participation in that process
>> > from a particular locus with a particular computational nformation
>> > structure.
>> > I'll explain how this works though the theory is subtle and requires
>> > some
>> > work, and there is a lot to it I don't cover here.
>> > In ancient times there was an extramission (emission) theory of vision,
>> > that
>> > objects were seen because the eyes shown light on them. Today we still
>> > have
>> > the functionally identical emission theory of consciousness, that things
>> > become conscious because mind somehow shines consciousness on them.
>> > Both theories are wrong. Things are conscious because reality
>> > continually
>> > SELF-MANIFESTS itself. It continually computes itself into existence,
>> > and
>> > existence self-manifests.
>> This makes sense to me. I have similar intuitions but I don't feel
>> this is sufficiently rigorous or well-defined (as my intuitions are
>> also not).
>> > It is immanent because it is actually real, and
>> > actually present, and has actual being. This is what I call Ontological
>> > Energy (OE).
>> Ok but I dislike this kind of overloading of terms. Unless you argue
>> that Ontological Energy has some convincing similarities to the well
>> accepted concept of energy.
>> > Things are really really real, they are really actually there,
>> > and consciousness just opens its 'eyes' and participates in this
>> > reality.
>> > Rather than the mind shining consciousness onto things, things manifest
>> > their actual reality, their actual real presence in reality, to whatever
>> > interacts with them, including human brains.
>> So are dreams real?
>> > The only thing an individual observer brings to consciousness is an
>> > interaction with reality from a particular location, and an interaction
>> > with
>> > the information contents of consciousness filtered through its own
>> > perceptual cognitive structure.
>> > Thus consciousness itself is simply the immanent actual real presence of
>> > reality, whereas the information structures of the contents of conscious
>> > are
>> > due to information computations of the brain interacting with
>> > information
>> > from external reality.
>> So what you're saying is: stuff is conscious, stuff is complex?
>> > This is the best, most convincing theory of consciousness of which I'm
>> > aware. But like most of my theories it requires a big paradigm shift in
>> > understanding since it's a completely new interpretation of reality.
>> Edgar, I agree with some of what you say here, but I don't understand
>> what the theory is. It feels more like a collection of intuitions. Do
>> you think you could make your theory more explicit and precise?
>> > Best,
>> > Edgar
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