On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 5:01 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11 January 2014 20:56, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com>wrote: > >> Der Bruno, >> >> The UD has no output. I guess you think to the trace of the UD, UD*, >> which from the first person perspective is "entirely given", by the 1p >> delay invariance." >> >> The UD never stops. If a process lasts forever, it is eternal, then >> it does not ever complete and thus its results never obtain in any way that >> can be considered as accessible. >> >> This is true if you run the UD on a computer, but not if it exists in > Platonia. If the UD exists in an arithmetical wonderland, then it never > stops, nor does it ever start, nor does it do anything - it's simply there, > in a timeless realm. Assuming this is so, then time - or the appearance of > time - has to be recovered from the fact of its existence. > I understand that argument. But then we have to account for the infinite pluralities of times that are eternally co-present in that Platonia when there is no way to break the stalemate of neutrality. Becoming is a better candidate for the ontological ground since it includes potential at the root, potential would be then the "fire" that breaks the symmetry that would otherwise keep Platonia frozen stiff. > > -- > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.