2014/1/12, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>: > > On 12 Jan 2014, at 02:41, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> But the proofs where not studied before as mathematical structures. >> Godel and any mathematician did profs, but proofs where >> meta-mathematical, in the sense that they were not mathematical >> objects, > > No, that is not true at all, and meaningless. Gödel did arithmetize > meta-arithmetic. His whole proofs is based on this.

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That is not the same than study proofs themselves inside math than reduce them to arithmetic or set theory. Moreover, what Godel did was called meta-mathematics AFAIK > > > > > >> although they could be formalized in a language. > > And then translated in math, even arithmetic. > > > >> The same >> happened with the notion of equality and equivalence etc That are >> defined in a fuzzy or ad-hoc way. HOTT study how equal are two things >> depending on the path from the one to the other, that is , what >> topology has the proof of equality between the two. > > That is interesting work, but it is a restriction on some typed or > constructive approach. > It does not make things more mathematical, as it was elementary > arithmetic from the start, as Gödel and the sequel have proven. > > Note that, computation can be seen as a particular case of proof, and > proof can be seen as a particular case of computations, but those > concept are quite different and obeys to quite different mathematics. > That happens often. You can see a function as particular case of a > relation (functional relation), and you can see a relation as a > particular case of a function (by the characteristic function), but > relation and function are not the same notion. > > Any way, both computation and proof are mathematical object in > computer science and mathematical logic, since the start. > > Bruno > > > >> >> 2014/1/11, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com>: >>> That sounds like (some of) what Bruno talks about. The computer >>> programme >>> known as the UD (and its trace) are "in maths". (And didn't Godel >>> make >>> proofs paths of maths?) >>> >>> >>> On 12 January 2014 10:41, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> By the way, what about if you find a mathematical theory that show >>>> that: >>>> >>>> computer programs and matematical proofs are no longer something >>>> out >>>> of math, but mathematical structures and both are essentially the >>>> same >>>> thing: both are paths from premises to conclussion in a space with >>>> topological properties >>>> >>>> And the theory stablish topological relations between these paths so >>>> that proofs and computer algorithms are classified according with >>>> these relations. >>>> >>>> That is homotopy type theory. >>>> >>>> http://homotopytypetheory.org/ >>>> >>>> I´m starting to learn something about it, It is based on type >>>> theory, >>>> category theory and topology. The book introduction is nice (HOTT >>>> link >>>> at the bottom of the page). It seems to be a foundation of computer >>>> science and math that unify both at a higher level, since proofs and >>>> programs become legitimate mathematical structures >>>> >>>> The book: >>>> >>>> http://homotopytypetheory.org/2013/06/20/the-hott-book/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alberto. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an >>>> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an >>> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything- >>> l...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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