On 16 January 2014 05:57, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
> From what I could observe, Edgar came here with his ideas (which I
> mostly don't agree with, but that's fine). He was never the one
> initiating personal attacks. Also he's using his real name, while
> being attacked by someone using a pseudonym. I have nothing against
> pseudonyms and I use them too, but I don't think it's fair play to do
> the sort of thing freqflyer did while using one.
> I disagree that Edgar is "never the one initiating personal attacks". I
doubt if anyone would have "retaliated in kind" if he hadn't constantly
been making derogatory remarks about everyone who disagrees with him. I've
observed many heated arguments on this list and others in which the
participants, while obviously passionately believing their views to be
right and their opponents to be a crock, nevertheless manage to preserve
politeness. Generally people also try to put their ideas across clearly,
trying different tacks if one is clearly not getting across. They geneally
respect the other person's viewpoint and make a serious effort to
understand it - and occasionally even realise that they are wrong and the
other person is right (I've even done it myself...)
We have had none of the above courtesies from Edgar. His explanations are
woolly and one note, with no attempt at re-presenting them with, say,
mathematical models or meaningful analogies. He is constantly insinuating
that people who disagree must be stupid, and sometimes saying it outright.
He clearly doesn't "get" the problems others (from Einstein onwards) have
perceived with his "universal time" idea, and furthermore makes no effort
to do so. He is constantly patronising, smug and up himself. I would almost
say he has adopted the bad points of Isaac Newton while ignoring the good
ones (kind of in a similar vein to the reasoning "they laughed at Galileo
and Einstein, and they're laughing at me, so I must be a genius too!")
I don't know about the name-vs-pseudonym business. I wouldn't have posted
Edgar's lonely hearts thing myself (well, I hope I wouldn't!) but I can see
why someone would be tempted to do so. Edgar has spent the last week or so
calling everyone stupid and was in the process of nitpicking FF about a
thought experiment, rather than answering the question honestly, and that
evasiveness and refusal to answer honest questions coupled with his usual
smugness was no doubt very irritating. (Also, if FF has encounted EO on
other forums, as seems to be the case, there may be some history we're
But none of that excuses posting personal details, I agree.
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