There are an awful lot of hidden assumptions implied by that first explicit
assumption "imagine a world in which everything is computational".

I've asked for clarification from Edgar, but I won't hold my breath while I
wait.


On 16 January 2014 22:44, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

>
> On 16 Jan 2014, at 00:12, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I want to try to state my model of how spacetime is created by quantum
> events more clearly and succinctly.
>
> Begin by Imagining a world in which everything is computational.
>
>
>
> That does not exist. If everything is computational, I am computational,
> and thus comp is true, but comp entails the existence of many non
> computational things, so everything cannot be a computational things. You
> seem to ignore the FPI, and you seem to use implicitly some body/mind
> identify thesis which are not consistent with computationalism.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
> In particular where the usually imagined single pre-existing dimensional
> spacetime background does NOT exist.
>
> Now consider how we can get a spacetime to emerge from the computations in
> a way that conceptually unifies GR and QM, eliminates all quantum
> 'paradoxes', and explains the source of quantum randomness in the world.
>
> There is an easy straightforward way though it takes a little effort to
> understand, and one must first set aside some common sense notions about
> reality.
>
>  Assume a basic computation that occurs is the conservation of particle
> properties in any particle interaction in comp space.
>
> The conservation of particle properties essentially takes the amounts of
> all particle properties of incoming particles and redistributes them among
> the outgoing particles in every particle interaction.
>
> The results of such computational events is that the particle properties
> of all outgoing particles of every event are interrelated. They have to be
> to be conserved in toto. This is called 'entanglement'. The outgoing
> particles of every event are always entangled on the particle properties
> conserved in that event.
>
> Now some particle properties (spin, mass, energy) are dimensional particle
> properties. These are entangled too by particle interaction events. In
> other words, all dimensional particle properties between the outgoing
> particles of every event are interrelated. They have to be for them to be
> conserved. These relationships are exact. They must be to satisfy the
> conservation laws.
>
> Now assume every such dimensional entanglement effectively creates
> a spacetime point, defined as a dimensional interrelationship.
>
> Now assume those particles keep interacting with other particles. The
> result will be an ever expanding network of dimensional interrelationships
> which in effect creates a mini spacetime manifold of dimensional
> interrelations.
>
> Now assume a human observer at the classical level which is continuously
> involved in myriads of particle interaction (e.g. millions of photons
> impinging on its retina). The effect will be that all those continuous
> particle events will result in a vast network of dimensional
> interrelationships that is perceived by the human observer as a classical
> spacetime.
>
> He cannot observe any actual empty space because it doesn't actually
> exist. All that he can actually observe is actual events with dimensional
> relationships to him. Now the structure that emerges, due to the math of
> the particle property conservation laws in aggregate, is consistent and
> manifests at the classical level as the structure of our familiar
> spacetime.
>
> But this, like all aspects of the classical 'physical' world, is actually
> a computational illusion. This classical spacetime doesn't actually exist.
> It must be continually maintained by myriads of continuing quantum events
> or it instantly vanishes back into the computational reality from which it
> emerged.
>
>
> Now an absolutely critical point in understand how this model conceptually
> unifies GR and QM and eliminates quantum paradox is that every
> mini-spacetime network that emerges from quantum events is absolutely
> independent of all others (a completely separate space) UNTIL it is linked
> and aligned with other networks through some common quantum event. When
> that occurs, and only then, all alignments of both networks are resolved
> into a single spacetime common to all its elements.
>
> E.g. in the spin entanglement 'paradox'. When the particles are created
> their spins are exactly equal and opposite to each other, but only in their
> own frame in their own mini spacetime. They have to be to obey the
> conservation laws. That is why their orientation is unknowable to a human
> observer in his UNconnected spacetime frame of the laboratory.
>
> However when the spin of one particle is measured that event links and
> aligns the mini-spacetime of the particles with the spacetime of the
> laboratory and that makes the spin orientations of both particles aligned
> with that of the laboratory and thereafter the spin orientation of the
> other particle will always be found equal and opposite to that of the first.
>
> There is no FTL communication, there is no 'non-locality', there is no
> 'paradox'. It all depends on the recognition that the spin orientations of
> the particles exist in a completely separate unaligned spacetime fragment
> from that of the laboratory until they are linked and aligned via a
> measurement event.
>
> Edgar
>
> On Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:16:28 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I want to try to state my model of how spacetime is created by quantum
>> events more clearly and succinctly.
>>
>> Begin by Imagining a world in which everything is computational. In
>> particular where the usually imagined single pre-existing dimensional
>> spacetime background does NOT exist.
>>
>> Now consider how we can get a spacetime to emerge from the computations
>> in a way that conceptually unifies GR and QM, eliminates all quantum
>> 'paradoxes', and explains the source of quantum randomness in the world.
>>
>> There is an easy straightforward way though it takes a little effort to
>> understand, and one must first set aside some common sense notions about
>> reality.
>>
>>  Assume a basic computation that occurs is the conservation of particle
>> properties in any particle interaction in comp space.
>>
>> The conservation of particle properties essentially takes the amounts of
>> all particle properties of incoming particles and redistributes them among
>> the outgoing particles in every particle interaction.
>>
>> The results of such computational events is that the particle properties
>> of all outgoing particles of every event are interrelated. They have to be
>> to be conserved in toto. This is called 'entanglement'. The outgoing
>> particles of every event are always entangled on the particle properties
>> conserved in that event.
>>
>> Now some particle properties (spin, mass, energy) are dimensional
>> particle properties. These are entangled too by particle interaction
>> events. In other words, all dimensional particle properties between the
>> outgoing particles of every event are interrelated. They have to be for
>> them to be conserved. These relationships are exact. They must be to
>> satisfy the conservation laws.
>>
>> Now assume every such dimensional entanglement effectively creates
>> a spacetime point, defined as a dimensional interrelationship.
>>
>> Now assume those particles keep interacting with other particles. The
>> result will be an ever expanding network of dimensional interrelationships
>> which in effect creates a mini spacetime manifold of dimensional
>> interrelations.
>>
>> Now assume a human observer at the classical level which is continuously
>> involved in myriads of particle interaction (e.g. millions of photons
>> impinging on its retina). The effect will be that all those continuous
>> particle events will result in a vast network of dimensional
>> interrelationships that is perceived by the human observer as a classical
>> spacetime.
>>
>> He cannot observe any actual empty space because it doesn't actually
>> exist. All that he can actually observe is actual events with dimensional
>> relationships to him. Now the structure that emerges, due to the math of
>> the particle property conservation laws in aggregate, is consistent and
>> manifests at the classical level as the structure of our familiar
>> spacetime.
>>
>> But this, like all aspects of the classical 'physical' world, is actually
>> a computational illusion. This classical spacetime doesn't actually exist.
>> It must be continually maintained by myriads of continuing quantum events
>> or it instantly vanishes back into the computational reality from which it
>> emerged.
>>
>>
>> Now an absolutely critical point in understand how this model
>> conceptually unifies GR and QM and eliminates quantum paradox is that every
>> mini-spacetime network that emerges from quantum events is absolutely
>> independent of all others (a completely separate space) UNTIL it is linked
>> and aligned with other networks through some common quantum event. When
>> that occurs, and only then, all alignments of both networks are resolved
>> into a single spacetime common to all its elements.
>>
>> E.g. in the spin entanglement 'paradox'. When the particles are created
>> their spins are exactly equal and opposite to each other, but only in their
>> own frame in their own mini spacetime. They have to be to obey the
>> conservation laws. That is why their orientation is unknowable to a human
>> observer in his UNconnected spacetime frame of the laboratory.
>>
>> However when the spin of one particle is measured that event links and
>> aligns the mini-spacetime of the particles with the spacetime of the
>> laboratory and that makes the spin orientations of both particles aligned
>> with that of the laboratory and thereafter the spin orientation of the
>> other particle will always be found equal and opposite to that of the first.
>>
>> There is no FTL communication, there is no 'non-locality', there is no
>> 'paradox'. It all depends on the recognition that the spin orientations of
>> the particles exist in a completely separate unaligned spacetime fragment
>> from that of the laboratory until they are linked and aligned via a
>> measurement event.
>>
>> Edgar
>>
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