My information comes from New Scientist, so its not specialist
knowledge.

That said, Global Workspace Theory appears to be empirically confirmed
by the latest neuroscience, and that would be the space where the
system integrates the outputs of its various subsystems, ie is
self-conscious.

The other idea that is interesting in quite the same way is Tononi's
integrated information measure of brain activity.

Whilst all of this is cutting edge, and hence subject to revision as
new research is done, it does seem to me that it will be quite
possible to have a measure of a system that indicates self-awareness
(given sufficient time series data of its components).

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 09:10:42PM -0500, Stephen Paul King wrote:
> Dear Russel,
> 
>   Can we detect self-modeling in our brains now? I have been doing some
> research into Secure computation, trust me, my team is pretty sure that we
> can make computations look like noise on the network.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Russell Standish 
> <li...@hpcoders.com.au>wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 02:48:53PM -0500, Stephen Paul King wrote:
> > > Dare Jason,
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So why can't zombies have intentions? Remember the only thing zombies
> > > > supposedly lack is qualia. If a zombie is hungry and goes out to buy a
> > > > burger, I would say it had an intention to fill its stomach.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Intentions require self-models. Zombies by definition cannot have
> > > self-models otherwise they would have first person experience. My point
> > is
> > > that I am claiming that self-models are, content-wise, the same as first
> > > person experience. 1-p is, after all what we are considering that a
> > zombie
> > > does not have, so how can it have intentionality? It has no object to
> > whom
> > > the intention obtains, thus no intentionality.
> >
> > I don't see the obviousness in "Zombies by definition cannot have
> > self-models otherwise they would have first person experience". The
> > presence of a self model is something that is objectively verifiable,
> > by albeit rather intrusive neurophysiological means. Your statement
> > would entail a physical difference between a zombie and a non-zombie,
> > whereas, conventionally a p-zombie is physically indistinguishable
> > from the conscious person.
> >
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