On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jesse, > > Respectfully, I don't have time to argue what is well known. If you don't > believe me ask others here, or a physicist. > You are being evasive--you want me to "ask a physicist" but "don't have time" to tell me if you would change your mind if I could present clear evidence that actual physicists disagree with you and agree with me? If I email a physicist and report back what they say, would you listen then, or are you so absolutely convinced of your perfect understanding of relativity that you would assume I was lying or that the physicist in question is mistaken? I also asked you a simple question about whether you agree about the principle that if one observer/frame says a given pair of events coincide at the same point in spacetime, all observers/frames must agree on this--surely you have time to answer this basic question yes or no. > > If what you claim was true everything that fell towards a black hole would > never enter it and would be perpetually stuck around the boundary. > No, because what I claim is only about what is seen by observers outside the black hole in terms of light signals, not what actually happens to the falling observer himself. It is a standard textbook result that the falling observer does cross the horizon at a finite proper time on their own clock, but that observers on the outside only see light from readings earlier than this finite proper time. Jesse -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
