On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 1:57:43 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > On 5 February 2014 13:46, Craig Weinberg <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:38:31 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > >> > >> On 5 February 2014 01:31, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> >> As per my answer to David: if you could show that a physical > >> >> phenomenon of a particular type necessarily leads to consciousness, > >> >> then anything further you have to say, such as remarks about how > weird > >> >> it sounds, will not negate it. > >> > > >> > > >> > That's the same as saying "If I were proved right, then I couldn't > have > >> > been > >> > wrong." > >> > > >> > The fact though that we cannot show a physical phenomena which > >> > necessarily > >> > leads to consciousness and there is no reason to suppose that one > could > >> > ever > >> > be shown (especially since 'showing' only happens within > consciousness, > >> > or > >> > else consciousness would be redundant). > >> > >> The proof is the argument I have cited several times. If it's valid, > >> any objections are then pointless, like the Pythagoreans complaining > >> that irrational numbers offend their sense of aesthetics. You have not > >> shown that the argument is invalid. > > > > > > The argument can't be shown to be invalid, because the problem with the > > argument is that there is a universe which exists outside of all > argument, > > through which argument itself is defined. The argument may be able to > > silence objections, but that doesn't mean the argument is correct. > > Again, that's like the Pythagoreans deciding to suppress the evidence > for irrational numbers because they believed in a higher aesthetic > cause. >
That's like having to go back more than 2000 years to find a fallacious political justification for suppressing my argument rather than a reason that makes sense. Craig > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
