On 10 February 2014 01:49, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

> So with "->" and "f" we can define all connectors.
>
> Is there a connector (like "&", "V", "->", ...) such that all connectors
> can be defined from it?
>

You just said that ... oh do you mean without using 'f' ?

>
> This is a facultative exercise. Only for possible raining sundays. We will
> not use this in the sequel.
>
> OK. I don't know. It doesn't seem intuitively obvious, but if you can use
~ then we have already used & and (I think) V that way... I think.

> Well, even though I did it, the result still looks rather strange to me!
>
> Cantor said "I see but don't believe it". it is normal.  von Neuman said
> "nobody understand math", mathematicians get only used to it.
>

I seem to be in good company. They laughed at Archimedes. The laughed at
Einstein. The laughed at Bozo the clown...

>
>> Understanding is good.
>> Understanding and memorizing, even with the help of a well presented
>> diary, is better, as it saves the future possible works.
>>
>
> I agree.  I'm sure I started one, too, but I can't find it now. (So
> sometimes I have to treat you as my diary...)
>
> Well, I hope you will not lost me too!
>

Likewise.

>
> Memorizing is good, but only if you manage to keep the memory accessible.
> 'course.
>

Yes....

>
> Some would disagree...
>
> I guess that they met the bad math teacher who kicks the student before
> math kick them, making it impossible for them to understand the real
> kicking back of math, and develop the appreciation.
>
> That's bad for the slow student, which sometimes are slow because they are
> more demanding in understanding, and it is good for the quick student, who
> can learn to solve problem by no more than pattern matching, without any
> understanding. Consumerist societies favour quick students, which aggravate
> the situation for slow students, and long term project.
>
> As a math teacher, I try to help the two kinds of student, but it is not
> always easy, and to be honest, I favor the slow one.
>
> For me, a valid reasoning with a false answer is better than a false
> reasoning with a correct answer. I know that in real life, the contrary is
> true.
>

Wise words.

>
> Some others seems interested in the thread too, but might be less
> courageous for participating, as you need some courage to do a sort of
> persistent "exam" online. I can understand. But I know that if I explain
> everything ex-cathedra, everyone  will be lost somewhere, and nobody will
> know where. I do hope some others will  participate to make things lighter
> on your shoulders.
>
> It takes a bit of courage for me, certainly. Especially since it's all
stuff that seems to melt away, even though I understood it at the time. But
then I *can* switch back and understand it again. But I find popularised
physics and biology easier to follow than popularised logic, even though we
have most of Raymond Smullyan's books.

Thank god he is still alive! I had to go and check - last time I checked on
someone, he'd died. It was John Galbraith Graham, my hero of the crossword
world. I never knew him .... yet I did in a way, just like Mr Smullyan and
Ursula le Guin.

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