On 16 Mar 2014, at 13:52, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Mar 2014, at 05:17, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:00:48 PM UTC-4, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Craig,
Hmmm, let me see. If I just take my eye out of its socket and turn
it around then I guess by your theory I'd have self awareness?
It's not my theory, but does computationalism provide a reason why
your eye looking in the mirror doesn't have self-awareness?
The mirror does not compute.
How do you know you're not being racist against mirrors?
Did I ever say something bad about mirror? I have no clue they are
intensional agent, but if they ask I will oblige. Mirror will also
evolves, and the intelligent digital mirror can anticipate on you, or
show you with another cut, or some brain scan.
You know that I assume comp, so it should just be obvious to you that
mirror have not the ability of universal computation. Even the Dx =
F"xx" method alone, seen as a control structure, alone, or even some
generalization of it, are not Turing universal. Consciousness is the
attribute to the first person, it is phenomenal, and there is nothing
in a mirror which a priori invites us to such an attribution.
I tend currently to attribute consciousness at the Turing complete
level, and self-consciousness at the Gödel-Löbian one, like when a K4
reasoner becomes when he visits the Knave Knight Island, or when a
universal Turing machine develops beliefs in enough induction axioms.
Now, if your theory attributes consciousness to a mirror, and not to
my sun in law, it will look even less convincing to me, Craig.
Craig
Bruno
Edgar
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://www.jesseengland.net/index.php?/project/vide-uhhh/
Have a look at this quick video (or get the idea from this_)
Since the VCR can get video feedback of itself, is there any
computational reason why this doesn't count as a degree of self
awareness? Would VCRs which have 'seen themselves' in this way have
a greater chance of developing that awareness than those which have
not? If not, what initial conditions would be necessary for such an
awareness to develop in some machines and how would those initial
conditions appear?
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