Yes, they do have a paper that eating resources will doom us. They also claimed that they had proof of Martian life in 1996 that has since been disregarded. I am guessing that the report had nothing to say about the substitution of easily, depleted resources being replaced with different plentiful resources, or technological innovation replacing heavy dependence on the depletable. Copper telecommunications cable used to be da bomb for long range propagation of signals, but in the last 50 years, fibre optics sort of has been overtaking the former use of copper.
----Original Message----- From: Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Mar 16, 2014 7:11 am Subject: Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization Liz, How is going to another planet and screwing that one up too going to help. The problem is not astronomical, it's human nature. The very success of humans as a species depended on the ruthless exploitation of nature and repression of competition. But those exact same aspects of human nature are what is now destroying our planet's ecosystem and likely ourselves. Can we change human nature? Unlikely I fear... Edgar On Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:58:38 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: If we could just get away from one planet ... but the difficulty is, well, astronomical. Before now we could always leave the place where disaster struck, move from the valley where the soil was full of salt or whatever, start again with a fresh load of resources. I can't see us doing that this time, though. On 16 March 2014 14:32, <[email protected]> wrote: On Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:02:31 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: Oh, and once this happens, that will be it for humanity, of course, because we can't restart civilisation with no easily accessible fuel sources. So we'll stay in the middle ages until a passing comet gets us (or similar). This does of course explain why SETI hasn't found anything. Hell of a way to prove a theory though. Earlier collapses where small and local, but almost nothing ever survived. The bigger the progress, the great the surge, the more the feedback to yet more progress, the steeper the exponential dimensional growth of the potentiality and the sophistication. But the complexity of the problems rises exponentially to for linear steps. The progress has a lifespan, and the lifespan...the life span is exponential as per the extents of the fundamental progress and breakthrough. But in thye end the progress starts to slow away from the exponential, and the result is unhandled problems, which diminish the overall potential of the system, thus progress dimishes at a faster rate, and the problems and complexities start to run ahead. How far those problems and complexities run ahead before the collapse, is the scale of the catastrophe. How fare it gets is about energy. Fat...how much capacity has a society or a people accumulated, and how recklessly and destructively it is now being spent, and who controls the process now, and what is in their nature. The West and rest amassed unbelievable excess energy, in prosperity, productivity, efficiency, technology, science. Now it is being spent at a rate that also goes up exponentially. We just don't see that because we don't understand the nature of energy, so we only see a partial view of it the part we do understand. But the energy compared to the biggest collapse on this dynamic before us, is like the Sun to the Moon. Our energy is feeding into the trap and it grows bigger and bigger...it's huge now. yet we still have more to put it. There isn't going to be another day for the human dream. There's one way, and that's to save this day. But it's a window held open by as little as a single thread. The reversal is a reversal of everything, of ideas, of potentials, of ideologies, of minds. Everything that was the most promising and good becomes the worst of the most destructive and foul. Nothing is the right vehicle for that turnaround. So the nature of the challenge is something that becomes and evolves from within itself, does not ask for permission or explain or persuade, just attaches, extracts, realigns and corrects. It's a process that would need to be a 2nd scientific revolution, a revolution of economics, of society, of strategy and of mind. This is the theory that is needed. Not one that goes into a 'paper' and asks to be read and loved and adopted by a world gone hive. But a theory directly existential, that becomes an evolution....of strategy that gets it right, everything. So has time to evolve, and solves for evolution within itself, and for a consciousness such that it's an extension of us, and between us, more than us, but no more than any one of us. A consciousness can turn hive, like everything else. There's a right way to evolve it and up to an infinity of degree by which to get it wrong. How right, or how long is how long before the reversal. We're not a long lived species. Look at the graph of human species, bar one, long ago now gone, the species burn out quicker and quicker leading up to us. We're paying for greateess in longevity. There's a playoff, an exchange of a finite furtherest extent. And how many times has the universe got evolution to this precise point, and how many times has evolution failed to find the way over this huge hump. Evolution produces us, so we're part of it, we're the big hope, that's the natural selection force that has to be unbelievable strong. We the eggs and the one basket. We show up again and again on the most successful living planets. Again nd again we get here. Does anyone in the whole universe yet, any planet any us anywhere, get beyond here. So much is fiddling in the fire....making theories the way they got made in the 19th century. The new kind of theory, isn't a theory, isn't anything like anything that has ever been seen before. The new kind of theory to save this day. On the other hand, when was the last time I took my meds? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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