Hi, Hal, thanks for your kind and fast reply. Not that I want to overwhelm science, or even the knowledgeability of THIS list, but I diverted from the base of your position ~2 decades ago and became an agnostic.
If 'life' increases the disorder then I agree: in my narrative (a model to 'speak about' the BB) the unfathomable 'everything' is impenetrable for our thinking (I called it after Aristotle (my) 'Plenitude', containing interrelated infinite stuff in an infinitely symmetrical interference. Such conditions postulate "similars" (unidentified!) to come closer (?) than acceptable by the infinite equilibration (symmetry?) so knots(?) form what I called 'universes'. The (unidentifiable) Plenitude is both timeless and spaceless, so these knots dissipate as they formed back into the infinite equilibration. Viewed *FROM THE INSIDE* of these *universes*, however, we find arrangements leading to their re-dissipation. In our Universe we have a space - time image leading to some 'physical' view *WITH* concepts, like *entropy*. When the "disorder" reaches an unsurmountable level, the 'universe' ceases to exist, *IOW* it smoothens back into the Plenitude. Energy ideas fit in: its dissipation leads to equilibration as well. Please, forgive this excursion into my narrative. I did publish it (sort of) only in the now defunct WEB Journal 'Karl Jaspers Forum' approx a decade ago. Regards John Mikes On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Hal Ruhl <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John: > > It is a distinct pleasure to hear from you. > > To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type > of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a > universe that if implemented increase the entropy of that universe. > Further all such processes will be implemented in any universe in which > they are possible. Since entropy has a fixed maximum in a closed system (a > universe) then life must enable its own extinction. > > Yours > > Hal > > On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:23:58 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote: > >> Dear Hal Ruhl, >> >> it has been for long since we had our last exchange....I clicked the URL >> and found mostly agreeable general ideas (with my peculiar thoughts in >> frequent questioning). >> >> *May I ask WHAT kind of LIFE are you talking about?* >> >> I believe our Terresstrial 'bio' is only a segment. Then again evolution >> etc. are not within my agnostic framework of worldview, so your explanation >> would find fertile grounds. >> >> Good to hear from you again >> >> John Mikes oldtimer >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Hal Ruhl <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone >>> >>> Below is a URL from one of my posts on the subject of life being >>> inherently self destructive which I believe it to be. It provides my >>> curent argument on the subject. >>> >>> I think such discussion is relevant to the main history of this group's >>> threads because if life is indeed always inherently self >>> destructive wherever it appears in any allowed universe then why is there >>> such a down select in the types of allowed universes. >>> >>> ------------- >>> >>> *http://arobustfuturehistory.wordpress.com/*<http://arobustfuturehistory.wordpress.com/> >>> >>> >>> ---------------- >>> >>> Hal Ruhl >>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
