To whom are you answering ? It seems it is to Edgar... you should not cite a message when you want to answer to another one...
Regards, Quentin 2014-03-19 22:46 GMT+01:00 meekerdb <[email protected]>: > On 3/19/2014 8:45 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > In the present state and the physical transition rules from one state to > another ? if the transition is reversible then from only the current state > you can infer the past state, without it being "encoded" in the present > state... the current state + transition rule is enough. > > Quentin > > > 2014-03-19 16:33 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>: > >> Telmo, >> >> No, that was Brent's claim. I'm asking him to tell us how it works. >> Where is all that additional information about past states stored if he >> thinks none of it is lost? >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:32:48 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Telmo, >>>> >>>> No, compression is totally unable to explain the storage of total >>>> information in a universe which continually doubles its amount of >>>> information from one Planck time to the next and continually adds that >>>> amount to the cumulative total. >>>> >>> >>> So you're essentially claiming that the universe is increasing >>> exponentially in complexity? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:17:28 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Brent, >>>>>> >>>>>> If information is not being lost then the amount of information in >>>>>> the universe is increasing at a tremendous rate as new events occur, and >>>>>> has been since the beginning. >>>>>> >>>>> > That's a false premise. The universe apparently started in a state of > very low entropy relative to macroscopic variables we measure. If the > evolution is unitary, as we think, then there is no change in the > information. The tremendous increase you refer to is relative to > macroscopic constraints. It is often not appreciated that entropy is > relative to assumed knowledge; see Jaynes 1996 paper "The Gibbs Paradox" > for an exposition. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
