On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:19:13 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
>
> Liz, et al,
>
> The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained 
> before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think..
>
> The current entropy state depends entirely on the current mix of the four 
> fundamental forces, in particular on whether gravitation is more attractive 
> or repulsive. For example if gravitation suddenly switched from attractive 
> to repulsive from a universal black hole collapse to a white hole big bang 
> that would automatically explain the supposedly improbably initial LOW 
> entropy state that has Penrose and others so puzzled.
>
> So when you try to connect information and entropy you again run into this 
> same problem. If, as the universe expands, the balance of repulsive to 
> attractive gravitation shifts so will the entropy balance. 
>
> This is easy to see. In a universe where gravitation is massively 
> repulsive the maximum entropy state will be a uniform dispersion of matter 
> throughout all space, but just the opposite in a universe with massively 
> attractive gravitation where the maximum entropy state will be a single 
> universal black hole.
> W
> So entropy is NOT fundamental. It depends on the current mix of forces. 
> AND entropy has nothing to do with the arrow of time either.
>  
> Edgar
>
 
 
It looks pretty fundamental to me. Or if what you mean entropy is somehow 
reset  around Big Bang events. I could see something like that. Does this 
mean the four forces are fundamental? Are you happy with four? Why are they 
fundamental but not entropy?
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If Entropy  isn't fundamental, nior uis Energy, vbecause tge they are 
different sides of the other. 

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