On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:

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> 2014-03-21 17:19 GMT+01:00 John Clark <[email protected]>:
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>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote:
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>>>>> The thing I most want to know about  RCP4.5 is what RCP stands for,
>>>>> Google seems to think it's "Rich Client Platform" but that doesn't sound
>>>>> quite right. It must be pretty obscure, Wikipedia has never heard of RCP
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>>> For your information, that means "Regional Climate Prediction"
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>> I'm pretty sure it's not "Russian Communist Party" but are you sure it's
>> not "Representative Concentration Pathways"?
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> I'm pretty sure you must be dumb as dumb if you really think this... As I
> see we are in a thread talking about climate...
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This thread seems to be mostly about politics. To be fair, John seems to be
in the minority here in wanting to discuss this from a scientific and
technological perspective.

He raises a number of points that I have raised myself in previous
discussions. Instead of focusing on such issues, pop culture distractions
(Fox News etc.) and political tribalism seem to get all of the attention.

- Given the number of climate models and the fact that the majority of them
failed to predict the climate of the last decade, how confident can we be
in further predictions?

- With current technology, how much would we have to shrink the global
energy budget to transition to sustainable sources? What would the human
impact of that be? This is too serious an issue for wishful thinking.
Theres 7 billion of us and counting. We need hard numbers here, that take
into account the energy investment necessary to bootstrap the renewable
sources, their efficiency and so on.

- What is the probability that a climate catastrophe awaits us vs. the
probability that an abrupt attempt to convert to sustainable sources would
create a human catastrophe itself?

- Given that environmentalists are claiming that it might even be too late
to advert disaster, why aren't we seriously considering geoengineering
approaches, as the one proposed by Nathan Myhrvold, which can be easily and
cheaply tested and turned off at any moment?

Also this:
http://theenergycollective.com/robertwilson190/328841/why-germanys-nuclear-phase-out-leading-more-coal-burning

Telmo.



> using google correctly and not as an asshole... you would have found what
> you were looking for (if you genuinely were looking for it... but you
> weren't, you were trolling as usual). So blabla as usual... no point
> arguing with you.
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>> Wikipedia lists 21 possible meanings of the acronym "RCP" and that's the
>> only one that has anything at all to do with the environment. Wikipedia has
>> never heard of "Regional Climate Prediction".
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>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCP
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>> > (And I didn't know it before doing the search)
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>> Who did?
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>> >  0.5 second of searching on google... and the great John was unable to
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>> And still is.
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>>  John K Clark
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