On 06 Apr 2014, at 13:00, Kim Jones wrote:




On 6 Apr 2014, at 5:40 pm, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

So do you classify religion as a conspiracy? Do you think clergy are really all atheists and are just conspiring to fool others?

I am pretty sure of this.

Do you think that a christian believer of the top would protect the children molester, and this in a way making them continue the misdoing for 20 years?

Bruno

Organised, public religion is quite simply the biggest conspiracy theory of all time.


OK, for some religion. It is complex, because the "sorcerer in the village" is not always dishonest. But it is a weakness of the field, that being so much fundamental, it is easily perverted in the tradition, and it is worse when it becomes an instrument to get power, like with the catholic Church, the ayatollah, some academies, etc.




It has been a front for power play ever since someone realised that you can simply tout a personal set of "revelations" in public and people will swoon and fall into line behind you.

Church + Education + Politics = The Holy Trinity of Conformity.

These three groups, each individually and in concert with each other, make me feel very disturbed about the future most of the time. Particularly since you have one, (The Catholic Church) which has moved into and colonised another, (Education) and is currently being evaluated for all the damage it has caused there with the growing scandal involving the shielding of child-abusing priests and pedophilic clergy generally. Roman Catholicism is revealed today as about pretty much nothing more than a creche for kiddy abusers.

I partially agree, but that should be an object of detailed inquiry. And certainly the catholic church has some reform to do, even it want survive. But in theology, the subject is still taboo, probably less for "believers" than "disbelievers" which easily fight the rational agnostic in the name of rationalism!




Jesus said " suffer the Iittle children to come unto me."

Really? Where? What does that mean?




Each of the members of The Holy Trinity of Conformity worships its own past and its history to excess. Each promotes the mistaken belief that to study the lessons of History is the only way that "mistakes" will be avoided in the future.

It is necessary, but not sufficient, alas.



There is a lack of generative, creative thinking skills in The Holy Trinity of Conformity.


I am not sure. I am far more conservative. In a sense. Perhaps Xeusippes was right. Plato should have banish Aristotle. In theology, modernity was in the past, and we have not yet come back to it.



Every day we hear of the lapse of taste or the outright corruption and fall from grace of people sitting in and between these 3 very special and very powerfully self-serving groups. Each of these power groups assists the other as a real tri-une force for social control. One can only hold the greatest fear for the production of honest and audacious priests, teachers and politicians, since everyone must submit to the HToC.

A priest who was married in secret was thrown out of his parish by the Catholic Church. Decades of sexual abuse of students by religious people has gone unreported and undealt-with. Politicians reveal their lack of vision, their misogyny, their sycophancy for religion and all manner of horrific prejudices and fascist- tendencies on a daily basis on the floor of the parliament - and children are meant to derive some kind of role-model from these people.

I could go on, but I think you may have the gist of it by now.

When you let people using god as an argument per authority, you can expect the worst.

Bruno





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