On 13 Apr 2014, at 00:46, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Can sense not be allowed to represent itself in your court of argument?


That is a very good idea.

That is quite close to what happens with the definition by Theatetus of (rational) knowledge by saying that is a (rational) belief (finitely 3p describable) which is also true (something not definable in general, but well known in many situations). That truth might not be computable (like in self-multiplication), nor definable (like in Peano Arithmetic or by Löbian machines), and that is why we use the truth (p) to represent itself, in the definition of know(p) by []p & p.

That describes a knower (it obeys S4), and explains the existence of the fixed point, the locus where the beliefs are incorrigible, and correctly so, from that necessarily existing point of view. It explains the existence of proposition which will be trivially true from the first person perspective, yet impossible to communicate rationally to another machine.

Bruno






http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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