Thanks, Bruno. Quite profound: 'To be or not to be' ... 'I don't want to be here' ! Samiya
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 29 Apr 2014, at 12:00, Samiya Illias wrote: > > An interesting conversation: > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/feeling-our-emotions/?page=1 > Bruno, can this be developed in a machine? > > > I agree with large parts of Damasio, and disagree on others. Alas, he is > still not aware of the consequence of mechanism, (like most brain > scientists), and I disagree with his interpretation of Descartes (but that > is another topic). > > Yes, we are driven by emotion. The "intellect" is a recent development in > our history. It is the passage from "eaten or to be eaten" to "to be or not > to be". > > Keep in mind that computationalism is the assumption that *you* are > already a machine, and so, trivially, comp takes into account all your > emotion. If you survive a teleportation, but would lose your emotion, comp > would be false. By definition, your entire mental universe, including > faith, emotion, reason, ... is preserved. > > The body ([]p) is only a finite local representation of "you", but "you" > comes as much from the truth than from that self-representation. Personal > consciousness, the maker of sense, start from the intersection of truth and > "bodily-beliefs": the "[]p & p". > Consciousness is semantical, and is more on the side of p, in the "[]p & > p". Somehow, the intellect (mind, machine) []p is a filter of that > consciousness "p". > > "emotion" is our oldest language, with a quick evaluation of the adequacy > of a chemical environment. Our olfactive neurons have special relationship > with the region of the brain related to emotions, which witness that fact, > and people know how much a smell can trigger souvenir charged with emotion. > > This is also well illustrated in the following video. Although the > paramecia are a bit slow figuring what happened, they got eventually the > point; probably not in the shape "Gosh I am eaten by an amoeba", but more > something like "I don't want to be here and I have to try to escape at all > cost". > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvOz4V699gk > > Bruno > > > > > Samiya > > *MIND*: Do you believe that we will someday be able to create artificial > consciousness and feelings? > > *Damasio*: An organism can possess feelings only when it can create a > representation of the body's functions and the related changes that occur > in the brain. In this way, the organism can perceive them. Without this > mechanism there would be no consciousness. It is unclear that this could > ever develop in a machine or whether we really want machines with feelings. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
