On Thursday, May 1, 2014 7:21:19 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: > > I say that human beings (first-person) experience reality only in terms of > words, >
You think that we were born with words? > many words with some measure of meaning and some without any meaning at > all. Even the physics you mentioned are conveyed to the public as words, > and the math that is conveyed between physicists is expressed in words, > including Robinson's 1,2,3... arithmetic. You see some words, particularly > mathematical and physical terms, have special properties that are in some > measure truthful...Richard Ruquist 20140501 > > > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Craig Weinberg > <whats...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, April 18, 2014 3:23:13 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 16 Apr 2014, at 20:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>> What generates Platonia? >>> >>> >>> >>> Nothing generates Platonia, although addition and multiplication can >>> generate the comp-relevant part of platonia, that is the UD or equivalent. >>> >>> Elementary arithmetic cannot be justified by anything less complex (in >>> Turing or logical sense). It is the minimum that we have to assume to start. >>> >> >> Saying that elementary arithmetic is the minimum that we have to start >> doesn't make sense to me. Elementary arithmetic depends on many less >> complex expectations of sequence, identity, position, motivation, etc. I >> keep repeating this but I don't think that you are willing to consider it >> scientifically. >> >> Craig >> >> >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
