On 12 May 2014, at 03:10, Craig Weinberg wrote:

We don't know that. It could be the case that all detections used by the abstraction of the universal machine are done by the sensory substrate in which the machine-program is instantiated. The machine is only an automated map as far as I can tell. To make it more than that, the computations must take place within sensory-motive- time<>space-energy-mass.

I will wait for you to prove this statement.


Nor with 0, s(0), s(s(0)), yes logic is not enough.

I guess you mean that logic + elementary arithmetic is not enough. But that's is tautological in your non-comp theory.

It's not a theory that I'm imposing though, its an observation. As sure as I can be that 5-2=3, I can also be sure that no quantitative function can generate qualia by itself.

Yes, but as observation the machine already say so. And you are right, we agree on this, but when you disqualify the machine, you confuse her []p with her []p & p. You confuse her body clothe with its possible relation with truth.





Bruno



http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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