On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting. > > No, it does not require a Godelian mind neither a average logician > one to understand it: > > To amend the constitution there is a procedure in that constitution. > > If this procedure is followed, it is possible to change this article > to this other: "every morning that our leader (or the long term > emergence UN commission for saving planet Earth) wake up in the > morning, the current constitution is amended by what he says that > morning" > > That may be unrealistic there may be not enough votes to change it, > but it can be the final outcome of gradual changes. For example, it is > possible to subsidize the mass media in order to gain influence and > more votes etc etc.so that the next election etc etc > > That is because a constitutional system can not work without an > "spirit".. That is a unwritten part whose visible part is the > preamble, where the values and loyalties and ideas that inspire the > constitution are expressed. But they can not be enforced by > constitutional mechanism because they are personal values: how people > must feel what people should like and what each one should be loyal > to. > > That is the great flaw of constitutional systems based on "paper" > formulas and automatic mechanisms. > > without that unenforceable set of values and compromises, a > constitutional system can derive to anything bad. > I mostly agree. In fact, I would argue that the hypothetical effectiveness of the constitution as a vaccine against tyranny has already been empirically falsified in the USA. > > That is the reason behind this famous statement: > > "The liberal secular state lives on premises that it cannot itself > guarantee" > > That was enunciated by E.-W. Böckenförde > Ok, but why "liberal secular"? Is this not true of all states? Telmo. > > 2014-06-03 11:32 GMT+02:00, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>: > > The famous Gödel Loophole on the US constitution. Seems to be the usual > > logician "trick": apply a statement to itself :) > > > > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2010183 > > > > Best, > > Telmo. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > -- > Alberto. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
