On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:32 PM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote:
> Telmo: > > I am a multilinguist (similar to you I suppose) and consider the word > 'democracy' as the rule "Cratos" of "DEMOS". the totality of people. You > (and probably others, too) mean It > as a practical political format based on expression of desire by MANY > (majority - called) 'voters'. > John, I agree with your definition. My fear is that democracy cannot be protected from a collapse into a dictatorship of the average, and a misinformed average in the worst case. I would say that it becomes a dictatorship when it starts to legislate on things that it has no ethical basis to legislate on, usually in the guise of fear and "the public interest". Thus the wars on nouns... > Although it sounds commendable, it also is an oxymoron: > not T W O people want the same (interest, policy, advantage, style and > 1000 more, if you wish) so the 'voting' (hoax) is a compromise about those > lies of the candidates: which are LESS controversial compromise - as > formulated during the campaign. > (It has little impact on the real activities an elected politician will > abide by indeed). > Ok. > > One thing is for sure: a "MAJORITY" vote implies a subdued MINORITY as a > rule (in the US lately arond close to half and half). Furthermore I see no > "so callable" democracy neither in authoritarian (religious, fascistic) > systems, nor in extreme 'populist' attempts, like the Marxist-base, > communist, or socialist (called in these parts: liberal) systems. > Agreed. > The CAPITA:ISTIC (evolved slavery?) variations are aristocratic/feudal > at best, if not aristocratic/fascistic, ie. plutocratic. (I call it > Global Economic Feudalism). > This is true of modern global capitalism, no doubt. What do you propose? Best, Telmo. > > > One more request: could we mark this discussion AWAY from a bouncing back > Pluto? > > Regards > John Mikes > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 12 Jun 2014, at 13:39, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> The inconceivable freedom is in your heart, but give time to time, >>>> >>> >>> You are right and I'll shut up now :) >>> >>> >>> Please don't shut up! >>> >>> As long as we stay polite the fun is in the conversation, ... in the >>> detours sometimes. >>> >> >> My main motivation for shutting up here is that I fully agree, but >> sometimes forget, that freedom is 1p. >> >> I do feel bad for going off-topic. I think that you and others, who >> contribute a lot to the main topic of this mailing list, deserve more >> leeway than me in going off-topic. So since you're asking, I feel >> comfortable with arguing a bit more. >> >> (I was being sarcastic when I said the politician "misspeak". I was >> referring to the sort of doublespeak and euphemisms they employ. Of course >> they lie.) >> >> The reason why I suspect that democracy is not stable, is that it might >> always degrade to a Keynesian beauty contest. Modern democracy originated >> from enlightenment ideals, of raising human potential -- raising the >> average. The trouble is that, the best strategy to win elections is to >> pander to the average. A political movement that attempts to raise the >> average will lose to the Keynesian beauty contest players in the long term. >> So I am arguing that democracy contains in itself the evolutionary pressure >> that generates its own demise. I hope I'm missing something. >> >> Best, >> Telmo. >> >> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> I thank you, >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>>> it is not that easy when we are two, saying nothing about three and >>>> more. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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