Richard, like past wars its often very hard to decide what to do. You know I am a rightist, but hopefully a pragmatic one. I suspect, but cannot prove, that BHO and CIA were involved in moving north African Al Qaeda troops and funneling them into Syria to fight Assad (alawites) and his Shia (Iranian) partners. They were then attacked on the anniversary of 9-11, by the self-same units. Call it infiltration. This is why the fear on the part of the administration regarding getting exposed supporting al Qaeda during the 2012 election. This is what I suspect the truth is, that it might have cost him the election.
We have other options I'd like to consider, but as I was replying to Chris, I am just a fellow with strong opinions posting to a mailing list. To be influential, I'd have to be rich and have a lobbyist to the congress to handle policies. Because of voting plurality, I liken myself to Captain Ahab, lashed to the body of Moby Dick (final scene-spoiler). It's in your guys court now. Play well. Spud, I will fault Obama for supporting the ISIS in Syria but opposing them in Iraq. Richard -----Original Message----- From: Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jun 26, 2014 11:38 pm Subject: Re: American Intelligence Spud, I will fault Obama for supporting the ISIS in Syria but opposing them in Iraq. Richard On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: Sure, but if one is pushed to try to put out fires that progressives are lighting around the world, and, or enabling jihadists to do so, one can develop the Manichean attitude. It's unwise to light fires during a dry spell and this is what progressives do, because its how they "feel." Or "feel" is right. I could fly into a rage, or pretend to, and shriek, "how dare you typify me as a tea bagger..yadda yadda yadda." But it clarifies nothing and presents no way forward. I am just presenting news items from the US presidents own troops, the mainstream media, who find it difficult to ignore some of the things he's fowled up. To his view, nothings wrong, nothings broken, its all good. Now that is a point of beliefs, ideologies, and values. I don't think his side see's this as negotiable, so hence the Manichean bilateralism. Comrade Stalin was fascinating, historically in the same sense that the bubonic plague was. Makes you sound Stalinist... are you a crypto-communist per chance? You Tea Party people are truly a tiresome bunch.... so very Manichean. Come on man there are more hues than black and white in the spectrum. -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 9:19 pm Subject: Re: American Intelligence From: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:56 PM Subject: Re: American Intelligence >>Perchance! I have just observed, on occasions, your points of view and it >>adds up to the progressive mind set, more or less. The act of your "deciding" that I have a more or less progressive mindset leads you to conclude that I therefore hate America or some such silly Tea Party labeling of all who do not conform to the Tea Party line. Makes you sound Stalinist... are you a crypto-communist per chance? You Tea Party people are truly a tiresome bunch.... so very Manichean. Come on man there are more hues than black and white in the spectrum. Chris Feel free at any time to define your own positions that diverge from all that. As for what goes on in the world, in mine own land yet, this kind of thing, brought forth from the "left" has sort of messed things up here. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/irs-admits-targeting-conservatives-for-tax-scrutiny-in-2012-election/2013/05/10/3b6a0ada-b987-11e2-92f3-f291801936b8_story.html There's also this- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/obama-nsa-spying_n_5028736.html and this- http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/20/nation/la-na-fbi-reporter-20130521 and this of course- http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/15/world/meast/iraq-photos-isis/ and this too- http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/u-s-economy-contracted-almost-3-percent-first-quarter-n140336 The political cards do not now auger well for the US now, and sad to say, even under Bush 43, things did not seem as gloomy. Look at the economy and now the politics in France under Hollande, the US president's brother, so to speak. Neither guys are pragmatists and both ideologues, of the neo-Marxist persuasion. Neomarx don't seem to work well except for the very rich and very poor. A pragmatist would know better. As far as defining you, just remember the great, French philosopher, Jacque Derida who invented desconstructionism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction Zoot! Alours! Trifle with me, and I shall deconstruct you a-gain! Mon Deiu! Whose side is my side? A-hole you don’t know me yet you feel you have some kind of entitlement to define me. Do you have a God complex perchance? -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 12:53 pm Subject: RE: American Intelligence From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] No, its not a psychological thing. A psychological thing would be avoidence, as in ignoring what people say and do and just going with "a feeling." This is years of observing the actions of "your" side. Whose side is my side? A-hole you don’t know me yet you feel you have some kind of entitlement to define me. Do you have a God complex perchance? It's purely, observing speeches and behavior, and borrowing from old, Claude Shannon (who worked for the OSS from 1942-45) you observe what people say to each other, of their own persuasion, and also what they do not say. For example, in my country, there is now a big scandal, that the president and his loyal press cannot bury. Specifically, it's the use of auditing conservative groups, using the US IRS, and never, not once, auditing liberal groups; and this by the admission of the heads of the IRS. More BS – as others have shown. And as I can see from your strung together talking points you are parroting the tea party line…. How very original of you. Chris Its' the use of the FBI, deliberately, ordered to spy on a "conservative" report for Fox. It's the enormous expansion of the NSA and its spying capabilities, It's also the spiking of news by all the presidents' loyal press, which gets first reported on, say, Fox, and then after the elections, the news comes out anyways, because they can no longer look good to themselves, psychologically. What I am speaking about is the Benghazi cover up, which got 4 people killed, when our fearless leader could have saved them. Motivations for not acting? Military action would weakened support from his fellow, lib voters, for the 2012 election, and also, and this is just my guess, he was rocking the ganj in the whitehouse with some girfriend. Look to Michelle's quietude, to Hillary Clinton's quietude, to Jacqueline Kennedy's quietude on marital dalliances, as a solid history. I suppose sex in the whitehouse has some charm for some women. My point is BHO didn't want to be bothered, and for months "his press" shilled for him. Oh, that's right! Liberals are the good guys, you care about people, because you're so willing to use other people's money, so you can "feel" better. Yeah. I see... you seem to feel that because you "think" most "liberals" <or insert whatever label here> are this way or that that this "gut feeling" of yours gives you the right to make statements about me, which you have no way of knowing the truth of. What a brilliant stretch of reasoning. Seriously do you just pull stuff out of your-you-know-where...pin it on people who do not share your particular world view and call it a day? Do you have starch for brains... are you really that much of a potato head? You force me to admit that maybe Kim was onto something. Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jun 24, 2014 7:46 pm Subject: Re: American Intelligence From: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> To most "liberals/progressive/Marxists" is a wet dream, a fantasy come true for them. The "boi" thing is nice and I wish I thought of it. People are not xenophobic, if they actually have world, idiots actively seeing you go bye bye, Since the baddies have won the last US election, its their world now. However, I still suspect an X crossing Y point in the US, not went the 53% get angry, but when the 47% feels they have had enough. As far as who to like and hate in the world, there's nothing stopping any nationalist from working together on important trade, and technical pursuits. Race is no big deal as we are all related, seemingly, but, now, cultures are a waaaay, different thing, because it conveys who one identifies with, and what one values. That's where things are more nuanced. But even here, if the rewards are great enough, we can have enough incentive, for people to work together. But not if they're out to cut one's throat. Where have I ever said that a destabilized America is to my liking? Never said anything remotely suggesting that. Does spudboi mean "xenophobic potato head" perchance? I see... you seem to feel that because you "think" most "liberals" <or insert whatever label here> are this way or that that this "gut feeling" of yours gives you the right to make statements about me, which you have no way of knowing the truth of. What a brilliant stretch of reasoning. Seriously do you just pull stuff out of your-you-know-where...pin it on people who do not share your particular world view and call it a day? Do you have starch for brains... are you really that much of a potato head? You force me to admit that maybe Kim was onto something. Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jun 24, 2014 3:37 pm Subject: Re: American Intelligence From: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> >>This will likely bring some sort of conflict, I am guessing. However, a >>destabilized, US, might be to your liking, emotionally, so as to fit your >>personal world view? In any case you can test out your national friendships >>with China, Russia, Iran, and maybe, ISIS? (That's a great name for a >>group-Ian Fleming couldn't have done better!). Where have I ever said that a destabilized America is to my liking? Never said anything remotely suggesting that. Does spudboi mean "xenophobic potato head" perchance? Hopefully others will realize that Americans are not all like you spudboi, for you -- and your ilk - are the inspiration for a lot of the negative stereotypes people have formed about America. Enjoy life a little potato head; stop being so tiresomely predictable. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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