That's the slide I meant. The first item has to do with the (mostly ) elderly who get serious dementia and essentially cannot communicate. They speak nonsense or not at all.
>From autopsies after they die their brains are established to be almost completely destroyed. Yet just before they die, from minutes to a day or two, their communication is normal or even sometimes above normal. This is taken as evidence that consciousness can exist without a brain. In fact, during dementia it is thought that the decaying brain just gets in the way. A more remarkable case is that of a HS honor student (130 IQ) who got a brain injury in a auto accident. The xray of her head revealed that she only has a brain stem- no higher order components. Similarly some people with cranial fluid in place of a brain (except for the brain stem) are high functioning. Prof. Greyson showed an xray of such a person's head compared to an ordinary brain. I posted this talk on 3 other lists, 2 of which contain posters that only accept a materialistic reality. On one, a poster said that all of the evidence presented was purely anecdotal. On the 2nd a poster linked me to an article claiming that brain stems alone manifested low-grade consciousness. When I mentioned the 130 IQ HS girl- he said that was impossible and questioned the veracity of the U. of Virginia. The 3rd list contains posters who already believe that consciousness can exist outside the brain. It was like preaching to the choir. They believe in reincarnation as well as a hierarchy of consciousnesses- somewhat like a spiritual MWI. Richard On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:29 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > I've been looking for the first slide, but can't find it - can you give me > the time when it appears? > > Actually I may have found it - not the first, but around 18 minutes in - > it says: > > Consciousness without a brain > > * Deathbed recovery of lost consciousness > > * Complex consciousness with minimal brain > > * Near-death experiences > > * Memories of a past life > > I know what the last 3 points mean, at least, but I'm not sure about the > first one. > > (I also don't know of any evidence that NDEs are more that the brain > shutting down, as described by Susan Blackmore in "Dying to live".) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
