On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <
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>> In the USA oil production rose by more than half a million barrels per
>> day between 2007 and 2011 to the highest level in 15 years, and in that
>> same year the USA exported more gasoline and diesel than it imported for
>> the first time since 1949. And in 2012 USA oil production increased by
>> another 760,000 barrels a day, the largest yearly increase since records
>> about oil production started in 1859. But incredibly 2013 beat even that
>> record, oil production in the United States rose by another 992,000 barrels
>> a day! And in 2014 the USA overtook Saudi Arabia to become the largest
>> producer of oil on planet Earth, it was already the largest natural gas
>> producer in the world and has been since 2010.
>>
>
> > Yes, so what?
>

So the "false projections" about the USA becoming the next Saudi Arabia
turned out to be true.

> I was under the mistaken impression that you understood what reserves
> mean,
>

And I was under the mistaken impression that you understood that
historically the proven oil reserves of a country have remained about as
constant as the New York Stock Exchange, it changes every time a new oil
discovery is made, and even more important, it changes  every time a new
technology is developed that allows for the economic extraction of oil in
places where it had previously been uneconomic.


> > Reserves measure what is in the ground that can be recovered.
>

Reserves measure what is known to be in the ground that can be recovered
economically with existing technology.

>> Explain to me how the Saudi's will make more cash when oil is selling at
>> $60 a barrel then it did when it was selling at $130 a barrel. Is this some
>> new form of mathematics?
>>
>
> > Are you trying to be ironic or cute? Clearly the Saudi's feel they can
> endure the loss now in order to drive a large portion of the higher cost
> producers out of business.
>

So your theory is that the price of oil collapsed from $130 to $60 because
of some sort of byzantine conspiracy of the Saudi's, but your theory just
does not fit the facts. During the time of the oil collapse Saudi Arabia
did NOT increase their oil production, they kept on using the same old
technology and their production remained constant. However during that time
the USA  started using a new technology, and they increased their oil
production, and did so DRAMATICALLY. And the USA increased its gas
production even more. There is no need to invoke sinister plots by James
Bond style villains, it's a simple rule of economics that when the supply
of commodity X increases the price of commodity X falls.

And the free market ensures that the sort of silly conspiracy you're so
concerned about could never work. I manufacture 99% of the worlds widgets,
you make 1%. I want to drive you out of business, so I figure I'll lower my
price until you go broke and then I can jack them up to anything I want. So
now you lose money on each
widget you sell, the trouble is I do too. I have 99 times as much money as
you do, but I'm losing it 99 times faster. Even worse, because the price is
very low the demand for widgets is huge, and if prices are to remain low I
must build more factories (or oil wells) and increase production. I'm
losing money faster and faster,
meanwhile you just temporally halt production in your small factory and
wait for me to go broke. It won't be a long wait.

 John K Clark





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