On Friday, January 2, 2015 7:25:15 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > [email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > > > The big gusher oil wells in Texas, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Mexico had EROI > of better than 100:1. > > The EROI most certainly was not 100, not if you include the internal > energy of the crude oil as part of the cost of investment, it would ALWAYS > be less than one; of course only a fool or a liar would include the > internal energy of the crude oil as part of the cost of the investment, but > you and your environmental buddies do it for Kerogen so why not do it for > crude oil too? There are only 2 reasons I can think of for not doing that, > integrity and brains. > > >> > you libertarian moron. >> > > Opinions differ on the moron part but I am certainly a libertarian. Do you > have a problem with that? > >> >> >> And there is also something called the second law of thermodynamics >>> and if you use that too you can ensure that the EROI never even gets as >>> high as 1, it's always less, and so nothing, absolutely positively nothing, >>> is worth doing. That's all you need to come up with EROI numbers that are >>> always as low as you want them to be. Well.., you need one other thing, a >>> desire to deceive. >>> >> >> > > Show me an actual commercially producing shale oil operation? >> > I will just as soon as you show me a place where oil can be sold for more > than $120 a barrel. I don't dispute that with oil selling as cheaply as it > is today it's not economical with existing technology, but to say as you do > that it will never be economical no matter how high oil sells for flies in > the face of reality. > > > Screw those BS numbers. >> > > Yes screw Wikipedia and everybody else, believe in Chris de Morsella's > prejudices. > > > In 1982 Exxon threw in the towel after dumping some $5 billion down the >> shale oil money pit. >> > In 1837 Charles Babbage used 1837 technology to try to make the first > fully programmable digital computer, but after dumping the equivalent of > many millions of dollars into that money pit he threw in the towel. In 2015 > people use 2015 technology and can make computers successfully. In 1982 > Exxon was using 1982 technology, today they use 2015 technology. > > > John I don’t think you understand how EROI numbers are produced >> > > I understand it one hell of a lot better than you do. First you say the > true EROI numbers are 2.5:1 but that was inconsistent with everything you > were saying, when I pointed this out you correct that to 1:2.5, but nobody > familiar with EROI would state it that way, they'd say .4:1. Never mind > that even your room temperature IQ environmental buddies would say it's 2 > not .4, my point is that even your erroneous information is stated in a > ignorant manner. > > > or what they seek to measure. >> > > When you or environmental morons generate EROI numbers they don't measure > anything at all except the magnitude of the desire to deceive, the lower > the number the greater the deception. > > > I suggest you read Charles Hall’s seminal work on EROI to get a more in >> depth understanding. >> > > Why on earth would I follow a recommendation of yours about EROI when > you've demonstrated not just ignorance but dishonesty on this subject? By > now we both know that a EROI figure of .4 for Kerogen is bullshit, and yet > you continue to try to convince people of it. > > >> ive seconds is all it takes to prove that you're dead wrong. I was >>> wrong a while back and when it became clear to me that I had made a mistake >>> I admitted it, do you have the intellectual courage to do the same thing? >>> >> > Yeah right LOL -- Mr. Wikipedia. You have not proved anything. >> > > Well I've certainly proved one thing, I've proved that Mr. Chris de > Morsella is a intellectual coward incapable of admitting he's wrong even > when it's clear as a bell that he is. > > John K Clark >
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