On 3/20/2015 9:18 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:

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*Subject:* Re: TEPCO admits Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 core completely melted down

On 3/20/2015 10:43 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:

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    *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 10:32 AM
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    *Subject:* Re: TEPCO admits Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 core completely melted 
down

    On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 6:20 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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http://www.beyondnuclear.org/japan/2015/3/19/tepco-admits-fukushima-daiichi-unit-1-core-completely-melted.html

    Just in case anybody wanted to pretend that the Fukushima disaster is 
behind us;
    here is this piece of bad news, based on recent telemetry using muon 
detectors for
    imaging the reactor vessels. The core of reactor units 1 appears to have 
melted
    through both the reactor itself and the outer containment structure. This 
is also
    the likely situation for units 2 and 3 as well. A total meltdown is not a 
good
    scenario – and that is a huge understatement.

    It sounds bad for sure.

    What can the consequences be?

    They cannot be good, that is for sure. If the cores of units 1,2, and 3 
have melted
    all the way through the outer containment structures that implies that the
    radioactive materials that had been contained in those cores has now 
migrated into
    the ground beneath these units. I would imagine that the intensely hot 
corium, at
    first melted down in a tendril like manner forming a branching structure 
until it
    becomes diluted with enough melted rock to decrease the intense 
temperatures. At
    some point – I would imagine – it would become dilute enough so that it no 
longer is
    above the temperature required to melt rock and at this point it will 
become fixed
    into the sub surface geology beneath those plants.

    As ground water comes into contact with this highly radioactive materials, 
it will
    continuously leach some of the content and transport this radioactive 
material
    elsewhere, including into the Pacific ocean and underlying aquifers.

    I believe that this is the prime motivation for the – desperate – attempt 
to create
    a sub-surface wall of frozen ice around the affected area to try to contain 
this
    radioactive hell within the ice wall so that it does not migrate into the 
larger
    surrounding environment.

    I have no idea how one could go about trying to remediate this; how would 
one go
    after the concentrated tendrils of dilute corium that has become frozen in 
place in
    the surrounding rock matrix. A first step would be to get a better idea of 
the
    3-dimensional sub-surface distribution of the highly radioactive material, 
in order
    to at least begin to get an idea of the scope of the problem.

    -Chris


I'd guess the best solution is: Don't mess with it and see that nobody else messes with it. Just keep monitoring food and water. The corium should all be solidified into a glassy mass by now and not very susceptible to dissolution in water.

I agree the branching like glassy mass of the corium/rock mix is probably best left in place. However I also believe that it is incumbent – and this is a long haul effort of many decades and perhaps centuries – to isolate the very hot sub-surface glassified branching structures of solidified corium melt/rock mix from the larger environment. As you noted glass is not **very** susceptible to dissolution in water. However glass is not immune to leeching what is contained within the glass mass – slowly – into water that it comes into contact with. Water is an excellent solvent.

The ice wall though flawed is a necessary first start. Apparently this reactor complex had been sited over an area with substantial subterranean water migration going on, not the best place to put a reactor over (nor was it wise to site it in a tsunami zone either). The ice wall’s aim is to form a barrier that diverts the flow of water around the Fukushima complex. If they can also clear – using hardened robots, because there is some very hot debris still covering the site and especially within the damaged structures themselves – if they can clear away all debris and cover the surface with impermeable covering in order divert runoff away from the site. And they then pump away the water table from below the hot zone; then this hot zone could in principal become isolated from water, which is the major carrier of stuff in our environment.. and hence largely isolated form the rest of Earth’s living systems and biosphere. A wall made of ice is an emergency measure. Eventually they will need to trench and trench very deeply around the hot zone and back fill those trenches with something very impermeable like compressed bentonite; perhaps even well injecting high pressure concrete mixes into even deeper areas beneath the trench in order to get the barrier to intersect even deep zones of water movement.

This is a massive engineering undertaking! Many times the mass of the great pyramids will need to be moved. Which is why getting the best picture of where the radioactive stuff has ended up is important so that the job can be correctly scoped and only what is absolutely necessary can be walled in from the rest of the earth.

If the hot areas can be kept from contact with water they will remain contained, and for as long as they are kept out of contact with moving water will continue to remain contained within the surrounding mass of earth and rock.

Chris


I think you're over reacting. Is there any evidence that corium products are showing up in ground water or the ocean? It isn't necessary to keep the corium from leaching into the ocean; only to make it slow enough so it becomes so diluted as to be indistinguishable from background. So far I don't think any corium products have been detected in the water table or in the ocean around Fukushima. The cesium 134 found is from the initial explosion and run off.

https://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=83397&cl=101673&tid=5122

http://www.ourradioactiveocean.org/results.html

Brent

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