On 4/15/2015 5:29 PM, LizR wrote:
On 15 April 2015 at 04:40, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    On 4/13/2015 11:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:


    Le 14 avr. 2015 08:04, "Stathis Papaioannou" <stath...@gmail.com
    <mailto:stath...@gmail.com>> a écrit :

    > Certainly some theories of consciousness might not allow copying, but
    > that cannot be a logical requirement. To claim that something is
    > logically impossible is to claim that it is self-contradictory.

    I don't see why a theory saying like I said in the upper paragraph that
    consciousness could not be copied would be selfcontradictory... You have to 
see
    that when you say consciousness is duplicatable, you assume a lot of things 
about
    the reality and how it is working, and that you're making a metaphysical
    commitment, a leap of faith concerning what you assume the real to be and 
the
    reality itself. That's all I'm saying, but clearly if computationalism is 
true
    consciousness is obviously duplicatable.

    Quentin

    In order to say what duplication of consciousness is and whether it is
    non-contradictory you need some propositional definition of it.  Not just, 
an
    instrospective "well everybody knows what it is".


Comp assumes it's an outcome of computational processes, at some level. Is that enough to be a propositional definition?

I don't think it's specific enough because it isn't clear whether computational process means a physical process or an abstract one. If you take "computational process" to be the abstract process "in Platonia" then it would not be duplicable; every copy would just be a token of the same process. I think that's what Bruno means. But I think Stathis is thinking of a copy of an AI, not just a particular computation by that AI.

Brent


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