On 24 May 2015, at 21:06, David Nyman wrote:
Statements like this lead me to suspect that, when it comes down to
it, you don't really make any essential distinction between the 3p
and 1p senses of the term "consciousness".
I have the same feeling. Often, I feel like some people are not aware,
or just not interested in the mind-body problem.
ISTM that the latter sense is probably what you intend by
"fundamental". Whereas consciousness in the former sense can
perhaps be placed alongside intelligence in something like the
manner you suggest, in the latter sense it surely cannot, except by
ignoring the distinction in question. ISTM you conflate these two
senses quite a lot. I can't really decide whether you're hedging
your bets on this, or whether you really don't recognise any
important difference. Care to elucidate?
To be fair, Brent seems aware of the problem ... in some post, and
then no more in other posts. I agree that in this one, he was doing
the typical under-the-rug move.
Also, we don't take consciousness as fundamental/primitive. We do take
it as an important data that we cannot throw out if we want be serious
on the "everything" theory search.
To say that consciousness is a language related add on intelligence is
very misleading. If it means "intelligence" in the Bohm-Krishnamurti
mystical sense, why not, but then the problem remains. If it is
"intelligence" in the sense of "competence", then it has nothing to so
with "intelligence".
I hope Brent will add on some precision. If consciousness was just a
language add, anesthesia would not exist.
Bruno
David
On 24 May 2015 6:36 pm, "meekerdb" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5/23/2015 11:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
There is a common programming technique called memoization.
Essentially building automatic caches for functions within a
program. I wonder: would adding memorization to the functions
implementing an AI eventually result in it becoming a zombie
recording rather than a program, if it were fed all the same inputs
a second time?
Isn't that exactly what happens when you learn to ride a bicycle,
hit a tennis ball, touch type,... Stuff you had to think about when
you were learning becomes automatic - and subconscious.
I suspect a lot of these conundrums arise from taking consciousness
to be fundamental, rather than a language related add-on to
intelligence.
Brent
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