2015-06-10 15:13 GMT+02:00 Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>:
> Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> 2015-06-10 14:11 GMT+02:00 Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >> Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> 2015-06-10 13:40 GMT+02:00 Bruce Kellett >> <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> >> Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Then the computation will be in the mapping which is the >> interpreter... the rock itself is missing the machine >> interpreting the state and relating all the sequence of >> states >> of the rock... The rock and the interpreter is a >> computation, >> the rock alone is not. >> >> What is the interpreter in Platonia? >> >> The transition function relating the states. >> >> A computation is not a sequence of states, it is a sequence of >> states and the relation between them. >> >> The relation between them is given by the sequence order. You are >> the one who 'interprets' that sequence, gives it meaning. >> >> So a computer computing without us, is not computing.... >> The mapping is what makes the interpretation. A computation is a sequence >> of state + a transition table relating the states. >> >> As you can map the rock states with an adhoc mapping to any computations, >> it doesn't mean the rock computes everything, it just means the rock states >> are not enough, you forget the mapping ie: the interpreter. The rock on >> itself could compute anything, but relatively to you, it can compute >> meaningfully only if you have the correct mapping... and if to produce such >> a mapping that would make sense relatively to you, it asks you to do the >> computation you want to map to the rock states... in what sense can you say >> the rock is computing relatively to you in any meaningful sense ? >> > > A computation can be regarded as a mapping between inputs and outputs. A > Turing machine has a transition table relating the states -- that has to be > provided to define the machine, as you say. You can do this with the rock, > you map each rock state to the necessary computational state, and that > mapping makes the interpretation in the same way as for any other computer. That's what I said... you need the mapping and the rock... the rock alone is not sufficient... So instead of repeating what I said... in what sense the rock *alone* is computing anything relevant relatively to you without the mapping ? Quentin > > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
