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*"Then you have not met an algorithm whose output is directly influencedby the environment. Most robots are agents in this sense. If the agents areprocessing and reacting to rules, then those agents can be punishedfor breaking the rules." * As I understand: a 'robot' is not an 'algorithm', I still cannot imagine a set of (math?) rules with an OUTPUT. Maybe I do not understand what an algorithm is? what kind of an "AGENT" it is? what does if ACT? as I think, algorithms have to be followed by an agent. And thanks for your wisdom on 'personhood'. JM On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 03:28:22PM -0400, John Mikes wrote: > > Jason, Russell, Stathis, Brent > > > > I am not a Platonian, not a physicist and not a believer, just an > agnostic > > (in my OWN sense of the term). I don't believe that an algorithm > *"DOES"*, > > or *"ACTS" * so it cannot be 'held responsible'. We, the People do all > > this. > > > > *Russell's* 'sense of agency' requires more than included in (my) a set > of > > computing rules in an algorithm. > > Then you have not met an algorithm whose output is directly influenced > by the environment. Most robots are agents in this sense. If the agents are > processing and reacting to rules, then those agents can be punished > for breaking the rules. > > > The remark "company is not a person" is > > lately debated by the USA Supreme Court statement that a COMPANY IS A > > PERSON (just as MONEY is FREE SPEECH!) - what I tend to disagree with. > > People use language in different ways. Person, as we use it in this > list, refers to a conscious entity. The legal notion of person is more > one of agency, than consciousness. > > > > > *Brent* wrote on the tpic with closer relation to how I feel about it: > > * The ability to have an AI's future behavior changed by us, the > > community, assigning responsibility. Note that this assumes * > > * there is a community of intelligent beings,...* > > recalling the 'active agent' role of 'intelligent' beings. > > > > That's in full concordance with what I wrote :) > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
