On 07 Feb 2016, at 07:28, Russell Standish wrote:
A really interesting article I just read in New Scientist.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22830520-800-god-vs-the-multiverse-the-2500-year-war/
Its behind a paywall - please ask me for a PDF if you don't have
access to New Scientist.
Interesting view that the subversion of theology in 300CE that Bruno
Marchal refers to (closure of the academy) can be blamed almost
completely on both Aristotle and Plato (pox on both their houses :).
I would requires much more subtanciated evidence than
"Plato insisted on a creator-god who made only one universe:"
That might be a vague allusion to the Timeaeus, but it needs to be
reappraised after the reading of Parmenides (and Plato does not choose
between its participants in his dialogs).
But please, Russell, be careful, I have never said that a subversion
of theology has been done in 300CE.
Only in 500BC (after Christ). Plato and Aristotle just creates all
sciences (theology included) and the subversion has come only when
Plato's academy has been made close, the philosophers bannished or
exiled, most in Alexandria at that time). This is eight centuries
later Plato and Aristotle.
It is not fault of the christians, but it is related to the
exploitation of christianity by Justinian (not Constantine like I said
a long time ago). The subversion has come with the "blaspheme"
consisting in mixing religion and politics (which is very natural to
do, and became anti-science when the theological proposition becomes
dogma, instead as subject of discussion like before).
Also interesting is the view that pantheism (what I'd call Spinoza's
god) and atheism are not that far removed from each other.
That is what the Tibetan called (pejoratively) materialist
spiritualism. I agree atheism and such pantheism are very close.
I would not put Spinoza there, though. Spinoza is neutral monism; more
like with Mechanism: where both mind and matter rise from something
else (number relation for mind, and number relation for matter
appearance, and of course there is no primary matter, in that monist
picture).
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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