Hi John, On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote:
> Telmo, I think you left out the main question: > WHERE FROM did those texts generate (criticized by you only as for > their technical content (different cultures and linguistic backgrounds). > Well, I have my own guesses, but I am not a Historian... It is interesting to look at very recent religions (an obsession of mine) like Later Day Saints and Scientology. You can see the early dynamics, and perhaps extrapolate to what might have happened when the Bible or the Quran were written. I don't know so much about the Quran. I read a bit of it, and it feels very similar to the Later Day Saints dynamics -- the classical "reinterpretation" of some religious tradition by a charismatic leader. As for the New Testament, I have a few intuitions: - It seems to contain an element of apocalyptic fantasy to comfort a powerless sector of society. The rich and powerful are going to suffer, your life is miserable but you will be rewarded. You can see this dynamic playing out again with contemporary American protestants from the lower socio-economic classes; - There is an element of anti-semitism that might have been explored (or even introduced) by the Romans for political reasons; - As a southern European, I feel that my culture has been largely fucked by the christian cultural virus. There is a certain degree of love of pleasure that comes naturally to southern European culture, that the Romans used to incorporate quite well. Christianity made us neurotic, although modern Catholicism tries to balance things. Catholicism is nothing if resilient and adaptable. A very successful cultural virus, because it doesn't attack the host too strongly -- unlike puritanical Evangelics or radical Muslims. > > As for the "general problem of AI"? did we ever come to a conclusion > how to identify "INTELLIGENCE"? > I think we haven't. > I am inclined to go back to the - - > linguistic - origin (Lat) as reading (lego) the meaning(s) INTER, the > hidden ones, not the straight vocabulary hit only. And I apply this not > only to words proper I include paragraphs, even total contents to be > understood even > metaphorically, if you like, as 'close-enough' meaning of the written > words. > I don't disagree, but we always hit the symbol grounding problem. What is meaning? I think that the "general problem of AI" is indistinguishable from the mind-body problem, but we are not living in times where this can be a popular view. The current hype around AI seems to be mostly a desire for having slaves without the guilt. Philosophically, there's a regression. The 80's cyberpunk novels and movies explored the possible contradictions in a more sophisticated way than is done now by many popular "intellectuals". We live under a religion that has no name (yet?), its Vatican is Sillicon Valley and the high priests are venture capitalists and CEOs. > Anyway a mind-work above the )materialistic?) human thinking. > Then we can start fabricating the 'machine-based' ARTIFICIAL. > I think we agree. Telmo. > > John M > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Samiya, >> >> We have to be careful. This uses a technique usually referred to as >> "sentiment analysis" and sometimes as "opinion mining". There is extensive >> research on using it for things like election forecasting, and the results >> are not exactly encouraging... >> >> The idea is very interesting in itself, but the current methods are quite >> limited. The common approaches are: >> >> 1) Using a dictionary where every word is annotated by humans in terms of >> a score for each base emotion, do a lookup for the entire text and present >> the final summation; >> >> 2) Using machine learning to train a model to recognize emotions taking >> into account n-grams, instead of a single word. >> >> The first method is very naif, many words have quite different emotional >> valencies depending on context. It also fails to detect sarcasm and other >> complexities of human language. >> >> The second method could in principle work much better, but it requires a >> large corpus of text annotated by emotional valencies. Such corpora exist >> for specific applications, but models trained that way tend to not work >> when you deviate too much from the context of the training data. Religious >> texts are most likely too far away from any useful training corpora. >> >> Worse still, we are comparing translations from vastly different cultures >> and linguistic backgrounds. >> >> Some people suspect (me included) that producing a reliable sentiment >> analysis algorithm requires solving the general problem of AI. >> >> Best, >> Telmo. >> >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Bible, Quran and Violence >>> Software uses scripture to show what text analysis can do: >>> http://m.toledoblade.com/Religion/2016/02/06/The-Bible-the-Qur-an-and-violence-computerized.html >>> >>> >>> Samiya >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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