On another tanget,I am presenting a long video (75 mnutes) that Computer Scientist, Stephen Wolfram which touches on this topic. It is a presentation at the SETI institute. Where we get a Venn Diagram effect with this topic, please skip to 1 hour 7 minutes into the video, or more impatiently, 1 hour 12 minutes in, where Wolfram speaks ontologically to what exists? Specifically patterns, the computational universe, and alien intelligence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re9eB_j6m-0 -----Original Message----- From: Samiya Illias <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Mar 19, 2016 12:36 am Subject: Re: Code: The Origin of Life On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 3:17 AM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: Excuse me, Samiya, do you have a distinction WHAT to call LIFE? What life? human only, or "ANY"? including plant, microbial, inorganic, etc.? Do the diverse kinds of such diversified life-listings have different Gods? Do a rose struggle to get into the ROSE-HEAVEN? (or into the same, where we may prefer to spend eternity?) Are bed-bugs in the afterlife? (No, no, that was just a stupid joke). JM John M, All life that we call life is life. In fact, there are more kinds of life than we have identified so far. All life is water-based. There is only one God. All creation will be gathered to God upon resurrection, and all who were tried in this life will be judged and recompensed. The Quran speaks of humans and jinns being judged. I do not know if other creatures are also under trial and if they are to be judged and recompensed as well. When the Gardens are given as inheritance to those of the progeny of Adam whom God considers worthy of such reward and responsibility, they will enjoy the wondrous creations of God in their Garden(s). When those who are unworthy of the Gardens are made to enter the Fire, they will suffer greatly as God will reject and forget them just as they rejected and forgot God in this world. Samiya On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:26 PM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: I failed to connect your 'veses' to my questions. John Mikes On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:49 AM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: John M, The following verses address some of your questions: Present Creation Do not see those who disbelieved that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We parted them and We made from [the] water every living thing? Then will not they believe? http://islamawakened.com/quran/21/30/ And present to them the example (of) the life (of) the world, like water which We send down from the sky, then mingles with it (the) vegetation (of) the earth then becomes dry stalks, it (is) scattered (by) the winds. And Allah over every thing (is) All Able. http://islamawakened.com/quran/18/45/ And not [of] any animal in the earth and not a bird (that) flies with its wings - but (are) communities like you. We have not neglected in the Book [of] anything, then to their Lord they will be gathered. http://islamawakened.com/quran/6/38/ Glory be (to) the One Who created (in) pairs all of what grows the earth and of themselves, and of what not they know. http://islamawakened.com/quran/36/36/ Creation in the Hereafter Regarding the details of the wonderful life promised in the Gardens of Eden, they are intended as a delightful surprise: And not knows a soul what is hidden for them of (the) comfort (for) the eyes (as) a reward for what they used (to) do. http://islamawakened.com/quran/32/17/ The Quran does list some of the characteristics of the Gardens promised for the Hereafter. What strikes me is that the characteristics listed are generally those which scientists theorise as primary conditions essential for life, as well as those to not to age or decay. I've listed some verses at: Immortality & A Kingdom that Never Decays: http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/11/mission-of-messengers-vi.html Bliss & Realm Magnificent: http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/09/bliss-realm-magnificent.html On the contrary, Immortality is also promised in Hell, but everything there will be in a state of decay, and thus great suffering will be the fate of those who must dwell there. The following are some aspects of that which I've tried to understand: Fuel of Hell: Humans & Stones: http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/03/fuel-of-hell-humans-and-stones.html Until the Camel passes through the Eye of the Needle: http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/05/until-camel-passes-through-eye-of-needle.html One and Only God And they make with Allah partners - jinn though He has created them, and they falsely attribute to Him sons and daughters without knowledge. Glorified is He and Exalted above what they attribute. Originator (of) the heavens and the earth. How can be for Him a son while not (there) is for Him a companion, and He created every thing? And He (is) of every thing All-Knower. That (is) Allah your Lord, (there is) no god except Him, (the) Creator (of) every thing, so worship Him. And He (is) on every thing a Guardian. http://islamawakened.com/quran/6/100/ ; http://islamawakened.com/quran/6/101/ ; http://islamawakened.com/quran/6/102/ Quran Chapter 27, verses 60-66 question thus: 1 Ta, Seen. These are the verses of the Qur'an and a clear Book ... 60 [More precisely], is He [not best] who created the heavens and the earth and sent down for you rain from the sky, causing to grow thereby gardens of joyful beauty which you could not [otherwise] have grown the trees thereof? Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but they are a people who ascribe equals [to Him]. 61 Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed within it rivers and made for it firmly set mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but most of them do not know. 62 Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember. 63 Is He [not best] who guides you through the darknesses of the land and sea and who sends the winds as good tidings before His mercy? Is there a deity with Allah? High is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. 64 Is He [not best] who begins creation and then repeats it and who provides for you from the heaven and earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful." 65 Say, "None in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allah, and they do not perceive when they will be resurrected." 66 Rather, their knowledge is arrested concerning the Hereafter. Rather, they are in doubt about it. Rather, they are, concerning it, blind. ... 92 And to recite the Qur'an." And whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] himself; and whoever strays - say, "I am only [one] of the warners." 93 And say, "[All] praise is [due] to Allah. He will show you His signs, and you will recognize them. And your Lord is not unaware of what you do." http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=27&translator=29 Samiya On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 3:17 AM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: Excuse me, Samiya, do you have a distinction WHAT to call LIFE? What life? human only, or "ANY"? including plant, microbial, inorganic, etc.? Do the diverse kinds of such diversified life-listings have different Gods? Do a rose struggle to get into the ROSE-HEAVEN? (or into the same, where we may prefer to spend eternity?) Are bed-bugs in the afterlife? (No, no, that was just a stupid joke). JM On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: Please see: http://cosmicfingerprints.com/origin-of-life-video/ PZ Myers - Perry Marshall debate: http://cosmicfingerprints.com/pz-myers/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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