> On 29-Mar-2016, at 1:11 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Telmo, Heh! The Church and Restaurant at the End of the Universe! Night > Manager, Slarty Bardfarst esq. > > Samiya would agree that Quran, Soonah, and Bukhari,
Just for the record, I only quote from the Quran, whose Arabic text I believe is the scripture as revealed. I never quote Bukhari or any other Hadith from the Hadith collection as they are human efforts at preserving history, and therefore naturally riddled with errors and inconsistencies. Sunnah are living practices, handed down through learning by observing, which we try to emulate by watching others, such as how to pray or perform the rites of pilgrimage. Samiya > adequately describe humans, God, and the Universe. I would disagree. For > purely selfish reasons on my part, I lean towards a transhumanist > Singulatarian view, held by such guys as Guilio Prisco, Ben Goertzel, maybe > Juergen Schmidhuber, and Hans Moravec, and maybe, Frank Tipler, maybe Stephen > Wolfram. Basically, its the life after death thing, based on the ability to > recover long lost data and reassemble it precisely. Impossible! But what's a > heaven for (Jon Donne)? It's an effort, in the mind of Samiya and his > followers, to become Jinns, or souls, or, as we think of it today, software. > Often, this super goal fascinates, and many other times, its just another > reason to be depressed, Like Telmo's Marvin the Paranoid Android. > > My own suspicion (and I am often wong!) is that God might be a Boltzmann > Brain (a Jinn Observer?) perhaps the Only one? Hugo believes this view is > totally, idiotic, and who am I to disagree? But I like the concept because > it's math and physics, and it's sounds Frick'in impossible. But it's > appealing to me. I wonder what Kurt Gödel thought of BB's? > > From Wiki copy- paste (for impatient a-holes such as myself) > > > A Boltzmann brain is a hypothesized self aware entity which arises due to > random fluctuations out of a state of chaos. The idea is named for the > physicist Ludwig Boltzmann (1844–1906), who advanced an idea that the > Universe is observed to be in a highly improbable non-equilibrium state > because only when such states randomly occur can brains exist to be aware of > the Universe. The term for this idea was then coined in 2004 by Andreas > Albrecht and Lorenzo Sorbo.[1] > The Boltzmann brains concept is often stated as a physical paradox. (It has > also been called the "Boltzmann babies paradox".[2]) The paradox states that > if one considers the probability of our current situation as self-aware > entities embedded in an organized environment, versus the probability of > stand-alone self-aware entities existing in a featureless thermodynamic > "soup", then the latter should be vastly more probable than the former. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Mar 29, 2016 7:55 am > Subject: Re: God > > God's Final Message > > After discovering that the people of the Universe were rather unhappy with > their Universe, God set out to make sure they understood He hadn't > purposefully tried to screw with them. And so He wrote the following message > on a mountain for anybody within range to see. The message went as follows: > WE APOLOGISE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE. > The message eventually became a tourist attraction. > -- Hitchicker's Guide to the Galaxy > > >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 6:26 PM, JohnM <[email protected]> wrote: >>> There were numerous postongs with the 'subject' topic, trying to identify >>> the concept of God. Different religions (tribal superstitions) identified >>> the concept >>> differently, some calling for - ONE - item, some allowing - MANY - even in >>> controversy to each other. Even the so called monotheistic religions (e. g. >>> the >>> Muslim faith) allow a twosome: one on the positive side (Allah) and one on >>> the negative (Satan). >> >> There is only one God. >> The Quran, Chapter 112 >> [http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=112&translator=4] >> 1 Say: He is Allah, the One! >> 2 Allah, the eternally Besought of all! >> 3 He begetteth not nor was begotten. >> 4 And there is none comparable unto Him. >> >> We publicly declare that we reject all other that people take as their gods, >> be they real or imaginary beings, or their own desires. >> The Quran, Chapter 109 >> [http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=109&translator=4] >> 1 Say: O disbelievers! >> 2 I worship not that which ye worship; >> 3 Nor worship ye that which I worship. >> 4 And I shall not worship that which ye worship. >> 5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship. >> 6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. >> >> Adam and his progeny have repeatedly received warnings to not to follow >> Satan >> Satan's Enmity: Origin & Objective >> [http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2015/11/mission-of-messengers-ii.html] >> >> On the Day of Resurrection and Retribution, the following will be the >> situation: >> The Quran, excerpt from Chapter 36 >> [http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=36&translator=4] >> ... >> 48 And they say: When will this promise be fulfilled, if ye are truthful? >> 49 They await but one Shout, which will surprise them while they are >> disputing. >> 50 Then they cannot make bequest, nor can they return to their own folk. >> 51 And the trumpet is blown and lo! from the graves they hie unto their >> Lord, >> 52 Crying: Woe upon us! Who hath raised us from our place of sleep? This >> is that which the Beneficent did promise, and the messengers spoke truth. >> 53 It is but one Shout, and behold them brought together before Us! >> 54 This day no soul is wronged in aught; nor are ye requited aught save >> what ye used to do. >> 55 Lo! those who merit paradise this day are happily employed, >> 56 They and their wives, in pleasant shade, on thrones reclining; >> 57 Theirs the fruit (of their good deeds) and theirs (all) that they ask; >> 58 The word from a Merciful Lord (for them) is: Peace! >> 59 But avaunt ye, O ye guilty, this day! >> 60 Did I not charge you, O ye sons of Adam, that ye worship not the devil >> - Lo! he is your open foe! - >> 61 But that ye worship Me? That was the right path. >> 62 Yet he hath led astray of you a great multitude. Had ye then no sense? >> 63 This is hell which ye were promised (if ye followed him). >> 64 Burn therein this day for that ye disbelieved. >> 65 This day We seal up their mouths, and their hands speak out to Us and >> their feet bear witness as to what they used to earn. >> 66 And had We willed, We verily could have quenched their eyesight so that >> they should struggle for the way. Then how could they have seen? >> 67 And had We willed, We verily could have fixed them in their place, >> making them powerless to go forward or turn back. >> 68 He whom we bring unto old age, We reverse him in creation (making him >> go back to weakness after strength). Have ye then no sense? >> 69 And We have not taught him (Muhammad) poetry, nor is it meet for him. >> This is naught else than a Reminder and a Lecture making plain, >> 70 To warn whosoever liveth, and that the word may be fulfilled against >> the disbelievers. >> ... >> >> The above translations are as rendered by Muhammad Pickthal. >> For other translators, go to http://searchtruth.com/list.php and choose >> chapter and translator, or go to >> http://www.islamawakened.com/index.php/qur-an and choose chapter and verse >> to compare multiple translations of the same verse as rendered by various >> translators. >> >> >> Samiya >> >> >> >>> The Christian faith teaches about a THREESOM: i.e. the >>> Holly Trinity of Father, Son and the Holly Spirit. The older Jewish liturgy >>> refrains from even calling 'God" by name and circumvent if by descriptive >>> nouns. >>> >>> I claim to be agnostic in the topic, not the classical agnostic in the >>> books, just "I dunno" agnostic. In my 'belief' of 'non-believing' tghe only >>> POSITIVE item >>> consists of the negative: the ENTIRETY (my favorite name for the totality >>> we may think of as the WORLD - Everything included) consists of an infinite >>> cpmplexity of which we may have a glimps of only a tiny fraction - the rest >>> is untouchable for our capabilities. I used the word "glimp" because I have >>> no >>> assurance that whatever we THINK WE KNOW is real, true, existing (what is >>> this?) and indeed(?) part of the world. >>> >>> I had a discussion with my son who is more conservative in his vocabulary >>> and he came to the conclusion that whatever I call the "Infinite >>> Conplexity" - ofEverything List >>> "Entirety" - IS in fact identical to the concept religions cover by the >>> word "God". >>> Such infinite complexity MAY BE responsible for the generation of the >>> Entirety and the maintenance in which we can exist (whatever we think about >>> that). >>> I t may be the sustainer of such Entirety as well and generator (guardian?) >>> of the rules it follows. >>> >>> We THINK we KNOW some items and explain them into a conform WORLD in our >>> 'science' - developed over the past millennia gradually and in many cases >>> in newly taken routes of progress, abandoning the old speculations. >>> >>> Looking back into whatever we can deduct from the history of our own world >>> (mostly: our planet Earth) it seems that we 'had' diverse inhabitants >>> around and >>> every one died out - or at least diminished into non-important ones >>> whenever a newcomer emerged with a higher-level complexity than what the >>> former one had >>> - even suggesting that the populace of the former era couldnot elevate into >>> understanding the incoming higher level complexity at all. >>> Humanity developed the comparative meaning of items, whereupon more than >>> 1000 languages were developed in diverse powers of understanding. >>> Technology was developed as well and the bodily features were formulated to >>> serve successfully such technology. One item to illustrate: The closest >>> relative >>> we had, the apes, are unable the THROW: they cannot coordinate the release >>> of the stone while the holding hand is still moving. Such coordination >>> needs a >>> human brain complexity with adjusting (bringing together) the moving stone >>> with the moving hand. >>> In human complexities already achieved I count the languages, music, the >>> arts,billions of mutually advantageous symbioses and lots of social >>> achievements >>> into the list. Unfortunately it seems we close in to the final stage in our >>> existence and SOME higher complexity will be bound to tke over. >>> In our limited capabilites we cannot foresee what features such >>> newer/higher complexity will achieve. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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