On 30 May 2016, at 04:53, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> Richard Dawkins said "The theory of evolution by
cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is,
in principle, capable of explaining the existence of organized
complexity."
> This is just ridiculous. Elementary arithmetic leads to all
possible levels of complexity,
Dawkins like Darwin was interests in what matter can do (like
produce life), and without matter arithmetic,
elementary or otherwise, doesn't lead to complexity or to anything
else.
That idea has been refuted. Even without primary matter, arithmetic
leads to both the material complexity and the non material one.
Your invocation to your God (Matter) not only explain nothing, but add
a new problem: how does it select the material computations among the
non material one. How does it manage to make the non material
computations non conscious? Invoking a God (personal or not) will
never work in Science.
> complexity can arise from very simple iteration of very
simple number (natural, or not) number relations.
And Darwin showed how iteration with some random variation thrown
in will produce complexity if the resources needed for
reproduction are not infinite. Or to say exactly the same thing more
simply, Evolution is just random mutation and natural selection.
How could we know the mutations are all random. Some are, some are
not. Bacteria already can augment the rate of mutations by the
activity of some genes.
I think that even if evolution is, at some level, "just" random
mutation and natural selection, there is an infinity of intermediate
levels showing that higher level programming can be playing some major
role in evolution. In fact sex is already such a thing. It
accelerates the genetical dialog between individuals, allowing an
acceleration of the growing of diversity. To say that Evolution is
just random mutation and natural selection is like saying that the
program Deep Blue is just a bunch of Nands. Locally and accidentally
true, but it hides that Deep Blue is a high level program much more
sophisticated than simply a bunch of Nands.
Bruno
John K Clark
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