On 23 Aug 2016, at 00:47, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Interesting thoughts. In reply, I'd have think that if an after-
existence was demonstrable by logic or logicians,
Note that no scientists at all could ever prove that, nor the
existence of the moon. The scientists proves proposition in the frame
of a theory, whose axioms are always no provable. But with
computationalism, I argue that we don't need to assume elementary
arithmetic, and in that theory, we still cannot prove afterlife, nor
disprove it, but "staying alive" can confirm it locally. Science is
fundamentally modesty: we bet we don't know.
the civilization that would exist would be different from our own
and likely better.
I am not that sure.
Dreams are fascinating as a topic, but I have difficulty ascribing
this to a post-biological existence.
?
Me too. All dreams are determined in a tiny part of the arithmetical
reality. This is due to what Gödel already shows in 1931: computation
is an arithmetical notion, and the metamathematics embeds itself
partially in the mathematics.
Salvia, eh? I have too small a brain anyway, and its wired, somewhat
poorly to achieve the heights of mathematics as you do.
I am not sure. The more you have neurons, the more stupidities you can
say. Great discoveries can be done when you calm down you neurons,
instead of exciting them too much.
I agree with Gauss, mathematics is the simplest science. It is just a
fashion to frightened people with it.
But math is large and there is there for much more than one taste.
Even, Einstein's brain was better wired neurologically, than most
brains.
I am not sure of this, nor of how we could verify or refute such a
statement. He did have some taste for some metaphysical elegance,
though. A true believer!
My own suspicion (however wrong), might be that there is a read-
write function to our local section of the galaxy (if not far, far,
beyond it) and we ought to see if it might be functional at Planck
widths? Probably too good to be true, but its an honest guess.
Who knows? But one is not enough, you need the right infinities, of
both read-write functions and local section of the galaxy, or the
probabilities you can use that read-write function becomes negligible.
Bruno
If you are interested in afterlife, study logic (or train yourself
in remembering dreams, or smoke salvia, (if legal in your country
'course), but I guess it is better to avoid all those who claim to
know the truth on the matter).
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From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
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Sent: Sun, Aug 21, 2016 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: A connection between Blackholes, Wormholes, and Quantum
Entanglement?
On 19 Aug 2016, at 15:31, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
I have mentioned this paper by Susskind on the kurzweilai forum. I
always look for stuff like this, to buttress my emotive needs for
crap like faster than light,
No problem with faster than light, like tachyons.
The real nonsense is with "infinite speed", or instantaneousness,
like with physical non local action or interaction at a distance. No
problem with infinite and highly non local statistical interference
though, we got them already in arithmetic for the classical 1p views.
or an afterlife,
That is the subject of (machine's) theology (machine's one when we
assume computationalism).
I get that in the machine's classic theology, the religious attitude
becomes eventually equal to the scientific attitude, which is mainly
humility and modesty and extreme cautiousness in the communication.
The understanding that we can communicate only beliefs (assumption,
theories, always with an interrogation mark), and never knowledge as
such.
Note that this statement would be a blaspheme if presented as
scientifically justifiable, but the blaspheme is avoided as it is
presented as a theorem on arithmetically correct machine, and , with
mechanism, no correct machine can ever "scientifically" or
rationally justify the claim that she is a correct machine. She can
only hope for it.
It belongs to G* minus G, that is the true but non provable (by the
correct machine) propositions.
If you are interested in afterlife, study logic (or train yourself
in remembering dreams, or smoke salvia, (if legal in your country
'course), but I guess it is better to avoid all those who claim to
know the truth on the matter).
but o' course it usually don't work. My bad, but still damn
interesting.
Bruno
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From: Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 18, 2016 5:35 pm
Subject: A connection between Blackholes, Wormholes, and Quantum
Entanglement?
Recent paper by Susskind:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1604.02589v2.pdf
Jason
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