On 26 Feb 2017, at 03:18, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
>> The difference is that the billions of theists on the round
thing
we walk on still use "God" to be the Abrahamic superbeing.
> Really? Interesting. Maybe they are right or close to right.
There is no "maybe" about it, when it comes to the meaning
of words the majority is ALWAYS right, a word know only to
you would be utterly useless. If most people decide that the
word "circle" means a 3 sided polygon of 180 degrees then
geometers are just going to have to change their vocabulary.
Language always changes, that's why its hard to understand
Shakespeare's plays, and even harder to understand
Beowulf.
John K Clark
I can cut your comment, nor write it except here.
If you are right, then physicists are wrong on many word, as a i saw
in a BBC broadcasting where people were interviewed on many elementary
notion in physics, and have shown to have a pregalilean physics.
Then you confuse the greek-indian notion of God, the concept, and the
"precise", but fairy-tale like particular *theory*, which might be
verified, when the terms are used in large sense, and is usually
considered as refuted when taken in literal fairy tale sense.
Yet, christians, like muslims and jews have kept alive their platonic
roots/tradition, and in that sense, can be said less wrong than some
materialist theory. It is not easy, a soufi meeting has been recently
victim of an EI bombing (70 victims).
Why some atheists are so inclined to forget all about a millenium of
rational theology is weird, given that this rational theology has been
the first victim of the institutionalisation of the religion, and they
have been banished from our academies by the use of violence and
terror due to the stealing of the religious by the politics. You
seems, with all respect, to look, quoting Einstein on the atheists,
like the slave(s) who are still feeling the weight of your (their)
chain which you (they) have thrown off after hard struggle.
Bruno
On 23 Feb 2017, at 21:45, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 2/23/2017 6:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Feb 2017, at 01:08, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 2/21/2017 11:03 AM, John Mikes wrote:
Brent:
do you think we are that sure how to identify intelligence and
consciousness?
Intelligence (inter-lego)
I identify from the linguistic origin (Latin) as READING
BETWEEN THE (properly) EXPRESSED FEATURES - to detect additional
sense (maybe hidden so far).
Are you going to Bruno on me and adopt some meaning that a
thousand years out of date.
I can't let you say this Brent. I use always the most common terms
used by everybody, except the dogmatic minority. I have hundreds
of book on theology, written mostly by christians and muslims, on
neoplatonism, and they all use the term "theology" and "god" in
the greek sense. They don't even mention that they use the greek
sense as it is compeletely natural in a non-dogmatic context. The
restricted sense is the popular, non scientific sense used by
believers in special tradition.
It is rather incredible, but constant, that the strong-atheists
insist so much on the dogmatic (and pseudo-religious) definitions.
In science, all theories rename all the terms. We change the
theories, not the terms, which would lead to confusion and would
hide the progress. You could as well say that Earth does not
exist, because it has meant for many centuries: a flat
thing on which we walk.
The difference is that the billions of theists on the round thing
we walk on still use "God" to be the Abrahamic superbeing.
Really? Interesting. Maybe they are right or close to right.
Obviously, as scientist, we have to do the math, in our favorite
theory to see if that matches, and of course, I have already point
to some discrepancies with the "God" of the universal machine, much
close to proclus theology (sic) or Plotinus, Moderatus of Gades.
Nevertheless, note that each main branches of the Abrahamic belief
has kept some sub-branches which basically match that theology (of
the universal classical machine).
In theology, only the con men could pretend that science has decided
between Plato/Parmenides/Pythagoras and Aristotle. Mocking theology
or philosophy of mind makes people confusing physics and metaphysics/
theology.
Better not lost the spirit of rigor in all domain. The assumption of
a primary physical universe is cool, but might need to be tested
with the (immaterialist) "theology" of the universal number (G, G*
and the other "hypostases").
Bruno
Brent
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