On 11 Apr 2017, at 18:21, David Nyman wrote:

On 10 April 2017 at 18:32, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

On 10 Apr 2017, at 12:58, David Nyman wrote:


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​Good, but I guess I was also asking for some sort of shortcut to the intuitive power of all this, because if the only route to this is more of the above (however interesting in itself) then the point will go on being lost not only on the majority in this forum (unless I'm very much mistaken) but a fortiori on any possible wider audience.​ Which would be a pity.

Oops.

Yet, you asked me about the modal logic, and I do think at some point I have to say precisely what the G box [] is for. It is simple, but long and tedious. I hope you have not too much difficulties with my previous post.

To make this accessible, the universal dovetailer argument can be seen as a layman version of the "machine interview (the G logics and its variants imposed by itself). (even if it came befoe in my mind when observing the amoebas). I replace the machine by a human willing to be that he is a machine, and the thought experiments explains the reversal. The G logics makes this precise, and more abstract/general, but it relies on the extra-ordinary works on computability and logic of Gödel and others, which are not that difficult, but is hard to sell without some precision. Don't hesitate to encourage me to rewrite a passage in some more shorter way, in case you lose the line.

Bruno






David


Bruno

PS I guess you have missed my early introduction to modal logic on this list, many years ago! No problem.






Thanks in advance.

David

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