[Philip Benjamin] Metaphysics is not physics. It is not only a categorical error to comingle them, but an obvious mathematical absurdity. Taoist Niels Bohr and his Taoist associates were in a mighty haste to reject the de Broglie wave-likeness and force New Age waviness in order to establish Yin/Yang mystic duality (paganism in customary Queen's English) as science by equating it with an imagined particle-wave duality, to an unsuspecting and gullible audience (excluding the eminent Einstein who vigorously opposed it, referring the brilliant physicist Bohr as a Talmudic Philosopher-- “talmudistische philosoph"). It was the killing of a Civilization which at least some, if not all, of the Bohr's school of metaphysics had really wanted. The rejection of Einstein here opened up the sinister way for the WAMP (Western Acade-Media Paganism) to have the formidable power they exercise today over governments, universities, bureaucracies and political parties. People have no choice but to toe the line of the monstrous WAMP!! Or else, get EXPELLED, to quote Ben Stein.
Philip Benjamin Note: Academedia (acade-media): The monstrous double headed hybrid of a small minority of all academics including seminarians and a large majority of all media including the Hollywood, with no-question-asked Marxist-like authoritarianism as their modus operandi. Based on the works of Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Ben Stein, Victor Mordecai, ex-Marxist David Horowitz Upon decoupling, the unenergized (unregenerated), non-entropic bio dark-matter bodies co-created at the moment of conception will be lost in their abodes of the dark-matter realms (black holes), by their own willful choice. Adapted from "Ten Implications of Bio Dark-Matter Chemistry" and "Spiritual Body or Physical Spirit" by Philip Benjamin PhD MSc MA ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Is math real? On 21 Aug 2017, at 14:43, Philip Benjamin wrote: [Philip Benjamin] There is a difference between mathematical proposition and mathematical operation. OK. "2+2 = 2 * 2" is a mathematical proposition. "+" and "*" denotes operations. For example, quantum theory is a mathematical proposition, Hmm... OK. It is a theory. It is a list of assumptions, or their conjunction, about a reality, itself assumed (at the metalevel in physics, and at the base level in some physicalist metaphysics). but Quantum interpretation such as "Collapse", "Many Worlds" etc. The collapse is one more assumption. "many-worlds" is when we don't do that collapse assumption. In fact "many-world", with the logician's weak sense of "world" is a mathematical consequence of QM without collapse, and assuming a collapse makes the SWE false, or not applicable to the observer in QM+collapse theory (a good reason to be suspicious about the collapse). is philosophy/religion deserving no mathematical operation. ? (this does not make sense to me). Genetics can be subjected to mathematical operation, ? (I guess we are not using "operation" in the same sense. What do you mean by "operation"? You mean perhaps "analysis". Then OK here, but I do not see why philosophy/religion would not be subjected to mathematical analysis. That is possible in some theory, but not in another theory---and indeed, I illustrate that once we assume the mechanist hypothesis in the cognitive sciences, then we do have the mean to use mathematics in metaphysics/religion. but Common Descent is a philosophical speculation beyond mathematics. I prefer to not separate philosophy from science. That separation is too much often used to allow absence of rigor in philosophy, and that is a very bad habit. Same for theology, metaphysics. I limit myself to hypothesis making a mathematical treatment operational, leading to testable conclusions. I don't really believe in something called "science", but I do believe in scientific attitude, and this is independent of the domain of investigation. So is the evidential Natural Selection. It can be subjected to mathematical analysis, but the un-evidential trans-speciation is philosophy beyond mathematics. It will depend on your fundamental theory/assumption, I would say. Bruno Marchal Philip Benjamin ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Bruno Marchal <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:50 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Is math real? On 20 Aug 2017, at 17:31, Philip Benjamin wrote: [Philip Benjamin] This is the wrong question, "not even wrong"!! The right question is "are the THINGS/SUBJECTS which mathematics deal with real? OK, we agree I think, but fundamentally, it is not even that, at least when we apply mathematics (in the natural science, or in metaphysics; theology, ...). It is "do you agree with this or that mathematical proposition". (followed by "agreement" on definitions). Now some mathematical proposition does not ask much, like most theorem in first order arithmetic (when the proof are not too long). Some propositions ask us more, like when using set theory, or set theory + the choice axiom. Some proposition asks for so much that we will never stop searching a proof, like Riemann hypothesis, which we know refutable in very elementary arithmetic in case it would be false. But the question "is math real" is often answered in the negative by the conventionalist (like Goethe, Perhaps Bergson, and the early positivist in math). In my opinion, this is not defensible, from a mathematical logical viewpoint, even before Gödel's theorem, and still much more non-defensible after. See my other post to David for some precision. The mathematical real is very vast, and it is normal some part are more doubtful than other parts. Some part are real, but only phenomenologically so, like with physics when we assume computationalism, as I explained often here. Bruno Best regards Philip Benjamin ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of David Nyman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:24 PM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Is math real? On 20 Aug 2017 2:46 p.m., "Bruno Marchal" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 19 Aug 2017, at 01:21, David Nyman wrote: On 18 August 2017 at 18:13, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 18 Aug 2017, at 15:39, David Nyman wrote: He points at a mug and says that 'representations' (meaning numbers) aren't to be confused with things themselves. 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