On 4/09/2017 11:42 am, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
It seems primary, unlike spoken languages. Molecules, Atoms, and
Galaxies, run on the math behind the physics,
The problem here is with the idea that the universe "runs on maths".
That is just begging the question. Maths gives a description of the
universe, just as we could describe it in French, English, or any other
comprehensive language. It is just that some descriptions are more
concise than others, just as some languages are more concise than others.
because if the universe ran on French, we would all say Zuit Alor's
Mon Deiu! We'd also make a lot of boring movies, which we do never the
less. I wonder if there is any math that has been proven wrong, if you
want to knock down my assertion? Hopw would we prove it wrong?
Lots of maths has been proven wrong: have you never seen an invalid proof?
Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Kellett <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Sep 3, 2017 7:43 pm
Subject: Re: Is math real?
On 4/09/2017 9:00 am, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
I cannot see Math Not being real, because it would fail,
enormously, if "laws" of the cosmos, did not work. In other words,
we could describe the world via phlogiston mist, or, luminiferous
ether (tip o' the hat to the 19th century scientists), so it
works. If math didn't work, simple objects like planets would not
reliably work, circling their parent star. Are there any
counter-examples, where Math fails to describe? Or, does Math have
real examples of failure? Please cite these. G'wan!
Is English real? Is French real? ....
The fact that maths can be used to describe physical reality does not
mean that it is any more "real" than any other descriptive language.
Descriptive success does not imply an independent ontology for the
language, or that it is "primary" in any sense.
Bruce
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