On 9/4/2017 4:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Your argument is 100% the same as saying "It seems to me that the
very possibility of computation depends on God".
If God or Matter plays a role in a computation, then you are not
taking the word "computation" in its standard meaning (cf
Church-Turing-Post-Kleene thesis), and I have no clue at all what
you are talking about.
So you put words in my mouth and then complain that you don't know
what I'm talking about?
I am just deducing that you are using a term in a non standard meaning
which I do not understand. If you have a definition of computations
which does not rely on numbers or Church's thesis, you should make it
precise, and you will have found a version of computationalism which
might be coherent with physicalism.
I didn't use the word "computation"; in a standard or any other
meaning. It's one of the words you put in my mouth.
But I do have a different idea related to what you call computation. It
is that computation is the physical process of transforming some
interactions into different interactions. That this can be described by
arithmetical operations is because we abstracted arithmetical operations
from the physical. Notice that I did not need the concept of "primary"
matter, just as you do not use "primary" computatation.
Brent
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