On 04 Sep 2017, at 21:09, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 9/4/2017 4:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Your argument is 100% the same as saying "It seems to me that the
very possibility of computation depends on God".
If God or Matter plays a role in a computation, then you are not
taking the word "computation" in its standard meaning (cf Church-
Turing-Post-Kleene thesis), and I have no clue at all what you
are talking about.
So you put words in my mouth and then complain that you don't know
what I'm talking about?
I am just deducing that you are using a term in a non standard
meaning which I do not understand. If you have a definition of
computations which does not rely on numbers or Church's thesis, you
should make it precise, and you will have found a version of
computationalism which might be coherent with physicalism.
I didn't use the word "computation"; in a standard or any other
meaning. It's one of the words you put in my mouth.
But I do have a different idea related to what you call
computation. It is that computation is the physical process of
transforming some interactions into different interactions. That
this can be described by arithmetical operations is because we
abstracted arithmetical operations from the physical. Notice that I
did not need the concept of "primary" matter, just as you do not use
"primary" computatation.
?
So we agree? You lost me here.
Bruno
Brent
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