On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wro te
> > > If you read your own email, you will see that the definition that you > give is not the same as the ones you quote. I said: " Computationalism is the idea that the brain is an information processing system and that a computer can perform all the complex behaviors that would be called intelligent if it were done by a human " The Wikipedia article I quoted said: *"A computational theory of mind names a view that the human mind or the human brain (or both) is an information processing system and that thinking is a form of computing."* So what's the problem? > > > You are in fact alluding > > to the weak AI thesis, which is about behavior, not mind. I type " weak AI thesis " into Google and this is the first thing I get: *"Weak AI thesis. Weak AI (artificial intelligence) thesis:* * A digital computer is a powerful tool for studying intelligence and developing useful technology, and it enables us to formulate and test hypotheses in a more rigorous and precise fashion."* I type "strong AI thesis " into Google and this is the first thing I get: *"Strong AI (artificial intelligence) thesis: the Mind is assumed, or postulated, to be a consistent algorithm, and therefore if properly programmed, a digital computer can, in principle, mimick the mind, provided the basic assumption about the Mind is correct."* Mind must be about behavior or it has no use in science. > > > Now, it > > could be that intelligent behavior implies mind, but as you yourself > argue, we don't know that. > We do know that if the definition of mind is based on behavior, especially intelligent behavior, and that is the only definition that has scientific value. If you bring consciousness into the mix then there is only one mind that is known to exist or will ever be known to exist, and "mind" would become a word with no scientific value. > If you are not interested in the first person / third person > > distinction, you are wasting your time with computationalism. EVERYBODY is interested in the first person / third person distinction and NOBODY has the slightest difficulty making that distinction, but they don't do it by computationalism they do it by direct experience. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
