On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 1:29:38 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:18:12 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 7:25 PM, <agrays...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> *​> ​You and other skeptics should be demanding release of material from 
>>> which Project Mogul balloons were made,*
>>  ​We already know what they were make of, surplus junk from a toy 
>> company. 
>> ​From: 
>> ​
>> http://muller.lbl.gov/teaching/physics10/Roswell/USMogulReport.html
>> ​"
>> *One of the most puzzling aspects of the reports that a "UFO" crashed 
>> near Corona in 1947 were the later descriptions of "hieroglyphic-like" 
>> characters by seemingly reliable, firsthand witnesses. Research has 
>> revealed that the debris found on the ranch and displayed in General 
>> Ramey's office probably did have strange characters. These, however, were 
>> not hieroglyphics, but figures printed on the pinkish-purple tape used to 
>> construct the radar targets used by the NYU group.*
>> *The witnesses have recalled small pink/purple "flowers" that appeared to 
>> be some sort of writing that couldn't be deciphered. These figures were 
>> printed on tape that sealed the seams of the of the radar target. The radar 
>> targets, sometimes called corner reflectors, had been manufactured during 
>> or shortly after World War II, and due to shortages, the manufacturer, a 
>> toy company, used whatever resources were available. This toy company used 
>> plastic tape with pink/purple flowers and geometric designs in the 
>> construction of its toys and, in a time of shortage, used it on the 
>> government contract for the corner reflectors.*
>> *Allegations have also been made that the debris displayed to the press 
>> on July 8 and subsequently photographed was not the original wreckage; 
>> i.e., a switch had occurred sometime after the debris left Roswell 
>> AAF.​ However, statements made by Moore and Trakowski attested that the 
>> corner reflectors they launched during that period had the same flowers and 
>> figures that were later reported by Marcel, Cavitt, and Brazel as being on 
>> the debris found on the Foster ranch in Corona.*
>> *In fact, Trakowski distinctly remembered the figures on the tape 
>> because, when the targets first were produced, much fanfare was made over 
>> the use of a toy manufacturer for production. He related that a fellow 
>> USAAF officer, John E. Peterson, monitored the procurement of the targets 
>> and "thought it was the biggest joke in the world that they had to go to a 
>> toy manufacturer" to make the radar targets and an "even a bigger joke 
>> when. the reflecting material on the balsa frames was some kind of a 
>> pinkish purple tape with hearts and flowers​"*
>>> *​> ​if for no other reason than to finally put the Roswell crash 
>>> scenario to bed.*
>> ​Crackpot conspiracy can never EVER be put to bed, they were not created 
>> by logic so logic can not destroy them. 
>> John K Clark 
> Conspiracy ideas have a strange life of their own. People to this day 
> still entertain ideas about grassy knolls and inside jobs with the JFK 
> assassination. 9/11 conspiracy ideas are not as present these days, but 
> still alive and well. These things only diminish over time if they cease to 
> be relevant to most people.  It is related to the reason religions have a 
> great longevity. 

*If you look deeper, you will see some of what underlies the 911 
conspiracy. CNN was videotaping when the second impact occurred, on Tower 1 
IIRC. The video clearly shows a flash of white light at the moment of 
impact. Some people claim it's evidence of an incendiary device onboard, 
and thus a conspiracy. How would you explain it? I can, without a 
conspiracy. My point here is not to glibly dismiss conspirators as 
crackpots. There are often rational thoughts and analysis underlying most 
conspiracies. AG *

The argument over Sagan is interesting. I was at a meeting where he 
> attended, though I had no close contact with him. I don't think he gave 
> much quarter to the idea of UFOs and space aliens. He even said they 
> appeared to be an aspect of inner space or the mind rather than outer 
> space. 

*I've sometimes entertained the idea that Sagan strongly disbelieved in 
alien visitations primarily because he was never personally contacted. 
Surely if they were in contact with humans, wouldn't he be the first to be 
contacted? AG *

> LC

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