On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 6:11:45 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 6:21:16 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
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>> On 3/13/2018 12:19 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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>> Since this thread is reaching 100 posts where it is hard to keep track of 
>> and this topic is low on my interest list I will simply leave the 
>> following. Somebody pondered that a UFO/ET site called GaiaPC is just 
>> wishful thinking. I responded with:
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>> It has a component of magical thinking. Christianity has Jesus turning 
>> water into wine, and a fairy tale has a fairy godmother turning mice into 
>> horses and a pumpkin into a royal coach. Same idea really. Christianity has 
>> Jesus returning in the future, and for 19 centuries this has been "soon," 
>> and He will sweep all the problems away. This UFO stuff claims these ETs 
>> have ultimate technology, magic really, that will transform our world. In 
>> both cases the forces of darkness are preventing this great day of 
>> revelation. Similar idea, though with alien spacecraft I suppose there is 
>> some very tiny probability that aliens or their robotic emissaries could 
>> actually travel here. Religion by way of contrast is pure magic. 
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>> The mythic narratives of our time are shifting away from the monotheist 
>> constructs that have held sway for 15-16 centuries or so. This is 
>> manifesting itself in a number of forms from superheros to Pokeman-esque 
>> ideas to UFO/ET/ancient astronauts quasi-archaeology/astronomy and other 
>> ideas. It is almost as if we are adopting a sort of neo-Orphic set of 
>> mythic narratives. 
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>> I don't see this anything different.  The big religions also always had 
>> angels and demons and saints and demi-urges.  It was only in the official 
>> theology there was any attempt at unity and consistency...and even there 
>> you had "The Trinity".
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>> Brent
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> *Other than the religious component, is the unity of "The Trinity" 
> substantively worse than the unity of "wave-particle"? But this is beside 
> the point. As someone who spent a career working in aerospace for the 
> military, can't you see a national security component to the UFO 
> phenomenon, since a small but non-trivial number of sightings consist of 
> flying vehicles that enter our airspace without permission, and their 
> agendas are apparently unknown? AG *
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There is no comparison between aspects of quantum mechanics and theological 
matters such as the Trinity.

I did contract work for the intelligence community for 4 years before 
transitioning to NASA work. There would be concern if these events had any 
sort of kurtosis on the Gaussian variance so far seen of these events. They 
appear so far to be random events that amount to being a sort of noise.

LC
 

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>> Traditional religion, in particular Christianity and Islam, are in a sort 
>> of crisis as both are scrambling to try to reassert themselves in a world 
>> that increasingly dismisses them. The furious rise of the Christian right 
>> in the United States, that is supported by a diminishing percentage of the 
>> public, and the Islamic jihad tendencies in that part of the world clearly 
>> reflect two long lived and successful memes now struggling to stay relevant.
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>> LC
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